tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post1555596295445579371..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: Herman Cain: The Sexual Harassment SmearAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-88563996529647276122011-11-01T13:27:03.739-04:002011-11-01T13:27:03.739-04:00Patti, I couldn't agree more. If you have fac...Patti, I couldn't agree more. If you have facts, show us the facts. If you don't, then keep your mouth shut. To speak without facts is a smear.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-10482751764947966682011-11-01T13:24:38.989-04:002011-11-01T13:24:38.989-04:00Writer X, I agree. I think the establishment (and...Writer X, I agree. I think the establishment (and the Roves) really are blind to the fact that the public no longer trusts them or looks to them for advice. They have made themselves irrelevant and I think the way things are going, they will soon find themselves on the outs.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-12842397588534661922011-11-01T13:23:34.686-04:002011-11-01T13:23:34.686-04:00USS Ben, Well said. This has nothing to do with w...USS Ben, Well said. This has nothing to do with whether you like Cain or not -- this is about conservatives stabbing their own with rumors created by leftists. That needs to stop. And like you, I am angry at conservative writers who are buying into this. They are just feeding the leftist destruction machine and allowing this whole gotcha game to continue with Republican after Republican.<br /><br />And you're right, the fact of multiple allegations doesn't really change anything. It's the nature of the allegations and the proof that matters. In this case, it could well be that this was monkey-see monkey-do in terms of bringing allegations or it could all have been internal office politics. Or it could even have been two friends supporting each other. Unless we are told the exact "what" and "when", then we simply cannot judge what any of this means. And to attack him for this before we have any idea what it actually entails is nothing more than a smear -- a specialty of the left.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-89536618029231878682011-11-01T13:20:30.900-04:002011-11-01T13:20:30.900-04:00It's beyond shameful, it should be criminal to...It's beyond shameful, it should be criminal to smear someone's name in this manner. SHOW US THE FACTS. if you don't have any, but still insist on smearing, there should be a jail cell for ya somewhere.Notawonkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15388997298014397980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-56104134275860517482011-11-01T13:01:42.436-04:002011-11-01T13:01:42.436-04:00Stan, It's interesting to hear that these thin...Stan, It's interesting to hear that these things leaked out once before already. The media is playing this like some dark secret that's been held for years until some brave young jerk reporter uncovered it.<br /><br />I agree that Cain will squash this attack. He's not like other Republican politicians who curl up in the fetal position and go all weepy. So I have faith he will handle it. That doesn't make me any less angry, but it does give me confidence in him. In fact, this gives me confidence that he'll be able to withstand anything Obama throws at him too. I look at this as good practice for the mudslinging to come.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-60211033133605754412011-11-01T11:52:30.346-04:002011-11-01T11:52:30.346-04:00Rove continues to make himself irrelevant, along w...Rove continues to make himself irrelevant, along with the MSM. Anyone with half a brain could see this was a smear from a mile away.Writer Xnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-66462334107231913782011-11-01T10:52:46.623-04:002011-11-01T10:52:46.623-04:00Not surprising that Politico would do this.
Smears...Not surprising that Politico would do this.<br />Smears, lies, omissions, leftist propaganda, etc., is SOP from leftist self-described journolists these days.<br /><br />It still makes me angry though! <br />And I'm even more angry at those on the right who have piled on because Cain ain't their guy!<br /><br />I've read more than a few comments and blog posts that justify helping spread these leftist smears by saying in effect that if there's "multiple" allegations then there must be something to it.<br /><br />Well, I hear multiple, anonymous (and non-anonymous) allegations all the time from leftist sources that conservatives are racist, homophobic, sexist, violent yahoos (like the OWSers) so, going by that dubious "logic" it must be true, right?<br /><br />Well, needless to say I won't be reading those conservative blog authors anymore unless they quickly apologize. <br />And I quit listening to Karl Rove and establishment republicans a long time ago.<br />They have simply lost all their credibility and they have no decency or honor.<br /><br />Conservatives are supposed to be principled dammit! I can forgive mistakes but I'll never back unprincipled conservatives.<br /><br />This has nothing to do with whether one likes Cain or his ideas or not. <br />Conservatives should at least be principled enough and honorable enough to call BS whenever the lefties pull this crap!<br /><br />If not, well...I ain't got use for fair weather conservatives or RINOs and I'll be sure to spread the word about them.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-29812379317095451772011-11-01T09:10:47.649-04:002011-11-01T09:10:47.649-04:00Herman Cain didn’t get to his level in business by...Herman Cain didn’t get to his level in business by being a wilting flower. I expect a full bore counter attack which he has already begun with his strong interview with Greta last evening. It’s imperative that he fiercely and firmly stand his ground, which I believe he will, and has. <br /><br />When he ran for senator here in Georgia against Johnny Isakson in ’04, as I recall, these accusations leaked out. I forget from where, but it lasted only a moment without Herman or Isakson addressing this, there was no there, there, specious at best. Though my wife and I voted for Herman he lost to the well known Isakson, my wife and I were right, the people who voted for Isakson were wrong…ha. <br /><br />With Barry’s ass in a sling nothing will be held back, anything goes, and if they (MSM) need to make it up to save their messiah they will. We all need to be prepared to counter the slanders with every ounce of our being whomever the nominee is, because you can bet the mud will be slung.StanHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-19766507531492921492011-10-31T21:52:28.735-04:002011-10-31T21:52:28.735-04:00Joel,
True. Businessmen don't last very lon...Joel, <br /><br />True. Businessmen don't last very long if they are liars, and liars rarely make it to the top and they even more rarely manage to turn a company around.<br /><br />I think Cain is someone they don't know how to deal with because he is something they haven't encountered before.<br /><br />I agree entirely about conservative sites that simply treat this as true. We should never assume an allegation made by leftists against a conservative is true unless and until convincing proof is offered. To simply accept this as true without investigating and questioning it first is simply being a useful idiot for the left -- turning a rumor into a truth that gets used to burn our own people.<br /><br />And in this case, that is exactly what is happening -- all <i>Politico</i> has offered is rumor based on innuendo from unnamed sources. And they are tossing it out there to see if we take the bait. Any conservative site that doesn't first question the fact that this rumor mongering has taken the bait and is playing along with the left.<br /><br />I'm not saying this is something we should ignore <i>if it is true</i>, but it needs to be proved true before we take the next step. <i>Politico</i> wants to skip to the next step and assassinate the guy, and a lot of conservatives are helping.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-29368975247741864092011-10-31T21:44:50.650-04:002011-10-31T21:44:50.650-04:00T-Rav, true. They prove it every chance they get....T-Rav, true. They prove it every chance they get. My whole life I've seen the MSM tear Republicans apart for real or imagined crimes and then completely overlook identical or worse conduct from Democrats.<br /><br />I doubt they'll respond too, but I decided it was worth saying something in any event. Maybe if enough people comment, they'll realize they made a mistake here.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-78255121400491745122011-10-31T21:39:36.231-04:002011-10-31T21:39:36.231-04:00Andrew,
Cain is not a regular politician. He is a...Andrew,<br /><br />Cain is not a regular politician. He is a business man first. Contrary to liberal conspiracists and communists, business men are honest. If they aren't, they don't stay in business long. Herman also has a very credible explanation.<br /> <br />On Politico, it is an has always been a third rate blog. I mean if the Politico was an old style newspaper, I am not sure it could qualify as fish wrap.... it has so much excrement written. Whenever I travel to Politico's site, the first words unbidden out of my mouth is, "That's B@llsh..!!"<br /><br />What really is appalling is that supposedly conservative sites, like Hot Air, aren't automatically shredding this. I don't consider any site conservative that doesn't at least attempt to find out if it is true before condemning Cain. Some of them act like the sexual harassment charge is true, and treat Politico's judgement superior.Joel Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-4913762235810625162011-10-31T21:39:14.704-04:002011-10-31T21:39:14.704-04:00Andrew, they already proved their reaction was dif...Andrew, they already proved their reaction was different. See also: Jeremiah Wright, circa 2008.<br /><br />That email is hilarious. I doubt they'll respond, but still.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-51699514788353501552011-10-31T20:56:00.602-04:002011-10-31T20:56:00.602-04:00Politico's smear continues. In an interview w...Politico's smear continues. In an interview with the hack who wrote the story (Jonathan Martin), he was asked what Cain did and the guy actually said that (1) he wouldn't get into the details of the claim and (2) it was up to Cain to explain what he's been accused of. As we've said... a smear.<br /><br /><br />As an aside, I sent Politico an e-mail complaining out their coverage:<br /><br /><i>Your racist smear of Herman Cain is despicable. Jonathan Martin should be ashamed of himself. He has no journalistic ethics or integrity. Since when is it acceptable to report unidentified, unsourced allegations of supposed wrongdoing and then tell the smear-victim that it's up to them to carry the story? It is racist rumor mongering at best. And the fact Politico would employ this bigot is an obscenity. You have fallen a great deal in my estimation today.</i>AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-72052369404538302272011-10-31T20:17:05.144-04:002011-10-31T20:17:05.144-04:00T-Rav, Sadly, I think that these blogs you mention...T-Rav, Sadly, I think that these blogs you mention would just call it "good politics" and would say that "any candidate who can't defend themselves doesn't deserve the nomination"... excluding their own candidate of course, who is being unfairly attacked.<br /><br />To me, in truth, it doesn't matter where it came from at this point. If it came from another campaign, then I would hold that against them because this is dirty pool. But the real villains right now are the supposed "journalists" at <i>Politico</i> who threw aside any pretense of journalistic ethics or integrity and went into active racist smear mode with this.<br /><br />And while I hate making this point, it is valid: you can bet their reaction would have been 100% different if this involved allegations against Obama.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-45585778955026870402011-10-31T20:09:39.894-04:002011-10-31T20:09:39.894-04:00Andrew, I see now that there's a good deal of ...Andrew, I see now that there's a good deal of speculation this may have been leaked by another GOP campaign, and Politico is refusing to answer that question one way or the other. Obviously, there's no proof of that--it could easily be the work of a few libs--but let's just say it was. There's really only two candidates who stand to gain from a smear of Cain's reputation like this, and if it came out that one of them, in particular, had done it, I wonder what some of those blogger sites would have to say then? (Sorry, but this double standard they've been exercising has really put me off.)T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-60255264919017176012011-10-31T19:53:32.021-04:002011-10-31T19:53:32.021-04:00T-Rav, I don't frequent HotAir, so I don't...T-Rav, I don't frequent HotAir, so I don't know much about their views. The article seems to doubt Cain in ways that I think they should not be doing if they were being fair, but it is slight. In other words, I don't know if they are pro/con/non- Cain, thuogh this article leans slightly con.<br /><br />But you're right that a lot of the Perry sites have really flipped their lids regarding Cain. They can't see the writing on the wall that their guy is finished and they have gone into victim mode. It is unbecoming.<br /><br />As for Rove, Rove is an establishment guy who makes money by pretending that he knows how to do things better than everyone else. He doesn't. He's mentally ham-fisted at best. But the thing to keep in mind with Rove is that he's not telling you the truth, he's telling you what he wants you to believe... which is very pro-RINO.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-6170094526496247772011-10-31T19:47:42.506-04:002011-10-31T19:47:42.506-04:00T-Rav, Thanks! I agree. I think this a blatant att...T-Rav, Thanks! I agree. I think this a blatant attempt to take down a black conservative before he can do any more damage to the cause of keeping minorities as Democrats.<br /><br />Read the article in italics in the comments and that should give you a pretty good sense of what the real story is here. I would be surprised if there was more to this because I think Politico would have used it already if they had it.<br /><br />And yeah, they have no shame. It's not part of the playbook.<br /><br />On harassment, by the way. I don't want to give the impression there is not such thing. There is and it's wrong. But 99% of what gets called harassment these days is not anything anyone reasonable would consider harassment. And that's what I think is going on here. I think you had one or two unreasonable people who made claims to get bought off on their way out the door.<br /><br />(P.S. Happy Halloween!)AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-47215141072391205412011-10-31T19:46:41.296-04:002011-10-31T19:46:41.296-04:00Also, as far as the other sites go, I don't kn...Also, as far as the other sites go, I don't know about HotAir being negative--I get the impression they're mostly just a bit rattled by some of Cain's gaffes--but as I've said before, a lot of sites have gone way negative on Cain, apparently for no better reason than he's a threat to Perry. And I really don't know why. I mean, in some cases I think I understand their thinking--they fear Romney getting the nomination (as do I), and think Perry is the best chance of stopping that (which I sorta get), therefore Cain stealing Perry's support away is a bad thing. I guess I get that. But that's no excuse for the absolute double standard they've been pulling on their coverage of Cain vs. their coverage of Perry. They and Karl Rove seem to be in the "strange bedfellows" role at this moment.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-89908639451303026132011-10-31T19:40:29.511-04:002011-10-31T19:40:29.511-04:00I just did a quick read-through. I think your init...I just did a quick read-through. I think your initial colorful description is pretty dead-on (so to speak--Happy Halloween, folks!).<br /><br />I haven't followed this very closely because I smelled a rat from the start and didn't take it too seriously (kind of hard to after the Anita Hill fiasco). I think Rush, Coulter, et al. are absolutely right that the leftists are scared to death of a successful, positive-sounding black conservative and will resort to lies, if necessary, to destroy him. I don't know for sure if these are lies, but I certainly wouldn't put it past them. If they could be made to feel guilt, they ought to hang their heads in shame over this.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-78363030305659914992011-10-31T18:48:22.331-04:002011-10-31T18:48:22.331-04:00ScyFyTerry, You're welcome. If they had actua...ScyFyTerry, You're welcome. If they had actual allegations, then fine, we should examine those. But this is just a hint of suspicion which they've offered up with no substance. This is like saying "I know something rotten your neighbor did" and leaving it at that -- it's a smear.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-84630836639682372872011-10-31T18:45:17.370-04:002011-10-31T18:45:17.370-04:00Thanks for the information. As I said before, I...Thanks for the information. As I said before, I'm still not sold on Cain, but this doesn't change my thinking. This is just another MSM smear like they always do to Republicans.ScyFyterryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12635510395140863437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-64609116348634614872011-10-31T18:45:12.426-04:002011-10-31T18:45:12.426-04:00rlaWTX, Tell me about it! This is how Republicans...rlaWTX, Tell me about it! This is how Republicans keep tearing each other down -- by buying into these smears without actually looking into the facts.<br /><br />Right now, we know nothing except that a left-leaning website is claiming that two women made harassment claims against Cain. That's it. We know nothing more. And we should be demanding they come forward with anything they have to prove it or retract the story. We should not be attacking Cain.<br /><br />But this is how it gets done and we play in it. I recall all the way back to John Tower being attacked for supposed alcoholism (by Ted Kennedy no less), and then Packwood, Clarence Thomas, etc. etc. There are too many to list. And in each case, the right tossed their guy under the bus the moment the left made the allegation.<br /><br />That makes no sense! We are our own worst enemies.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-84200881367062427892011-10-31T18:39:52.096-04:002011-10-31T18:39:52.096-04:00useful idiots of the world, unite!!
annoying, con...useful idiots of the world, unite!!<br /><br />annoying, conniving, back-stabbing, rumor-mongering, muck-raking hacks!rlaWTXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09319344164726195144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-23375603119415234942011-10-31T18:07:48.409-04:002011-10-31T18:07:48.409-04:00By the way, for those who don't want to go to ...By the way, for those who don't want to go to HotAir, here is what they are quoting:<br /><br /><i>Cain told van Susteren that he remembered one woman who was a writer in the Association’s communications department. “I can’t even remember her name, but I do remember the formal allegation she made in terms of sexual harassment,” Cain said. “I turned it over to my general counsel and one of the ladies that worked for me, the woman in charge of human resources. They did investigate…and it was found to be baseless.”<br /><br />Van Susteren asked Cain how often he saw the woman. “I might see her in the office because her office was on the same floor as my office,” Cain said. Van Susteren asked whether the woman traveled with Cain, who spent a lot of time on the road speaking to restaurant associations around the country. “No, never,” Cain said…<br /><br />Van Susteren asked what Cain did that led to the accusation. There were reportedly more than one accusations in the complaint, but Cain said he recalled just one incident. “She was in my office one day, and I made a gesture saying — and I was standing close to her — and I made a gesture saying you are the same height as my wife. And I brought my hand up to my chin saying, ‘My wife comes up to my chin.’” At that point, Cain gestured with his flattened palm near his chin. “And that was put in there [the complaint] as something that made her uncomfortable,” Cain said, “something that was in the sexual harassment charge.”<br /><br />**** <br /><br />Cain also offered new information about the settlement of the case. Politico, which broke the sexual harassment allegation story, said that the woman received a money settlement “in the five-figure range.” When van Susteren asked about that, Cain said, “My general counsel said this started out where she and her lawyer were demanding a huge financial settlement…I don’t remember a number…But then he said because there was no basis for this, we ended up settling for what would have been a termination settlement.” When van Susteren asked how much money was involved, Cain said. “Maybe three months’ salary. I don’t remember. It might have been two months. I do remember my general counsel saying we didn’t pay all of the money they demanded.”</i>AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-33924047586390282642011-10-31T18:04:53.662-04:002011-10-31T18:04:53.662-04:00Jed, Thanks for confirming that. In my experience...Jed, Thanks for confirming that. In my experience, IF something has really happened, then companies fire people and make changes. If nothing has happened, then they just decide if it's worth buying the accuser off -- and usually it is if the accuser is being reasonable in their demands.<br /><br />It's unfortunate because this does create an entire industry for fake-claimants to run around extorting money, but that is a fact of life.<br /><br />So I've long looked to see if people were fired and policies/products changed before I ever assume the company actually did something wrong.<br /><br />Also, people may not realize that decisions are generally made by insurance companies, not the businesses themselves. So settlements are often made even against the company's wishes.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.com