tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post2466203789242794638..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: Lie Down With Hamas--Rise Up HeadlessAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-45846379966246762882011-04-25T20:40:05.476-04:002011-04-25T20:40:05.476-04:00T_Rav: In barbaric societies like that, all you h...T_Rav: In barbaric societies like that, all you have to do is look the wrong way at someone, or perhaps in Arrigoni's case, look the wrong way at somebody's sister or daughter. Believe me, Hamas looks like a cakewalk compared to some of the ultra-terrorist groups in the Middle East.<br /><br />As for the commies, Trotsky managed to make it to Mexico and survive almost twenty years before the long arm of Stalin reached out to touch him. Oddly, one of the major splits was that Trotsky wanted to form independent communist parties outside of Russia which would later merge into the International. Stalin wanted the Soviet Russian Communist International to be the hegemonic communist government, which would spread its tentacles nation by nation. Of course, the real reason for Trotsky's unfortunate demise is that Stalin saw him as competition for the leadership of the party. That's reason enough to murder someone, isn't it?LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-1671195533140696322011-04-25T19:21:24.339-04:002011-04-25T19:21:24.339-04:00LawHawk, thanks. I've got a clearer picture of...LawHawk, thanks. I've got a clearer picture of who this guy was now. And now I'm also a little freaked out--what do you have to be to reject Hamas as not radical enough?! <br /><br />Of course, the "death by naivete" thing isn't new. More than one member of the CPUSA wound up "getting disappeared" in Soviet Russia, after thinking membership in the country whose government they were trying to overthrow would protect them. Wrong.T_Ravnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-86984073202027182082011-04-25T18:55:35.190-04:002011-04-25T18:55:35.190-04:00Andrew: Agreed. So why the hell don't they l...Andrew: Agreed. So why the hell don't they learn (at least before it's too late)? It's not as if there aren't plenty of precedents in history for exactly this type of thing. I guess that for doctrinaire leftists and America-haters, willful blindness overcomes common sense.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-19778754119901894762011-04-25T18:50:25.787-04:002011-04-25T18:50:25.787-04:00Tennessee: Yes it does. And the term "usefu...Tennessee: Yes it does. And the term "useful" ceases to be any protection the moment it become "no longer useful alive." <br /><br />I'd just settle for driving Hamas six feet under the ground. Then bring in those Caterpillar tractors that the Palestinians fear so much.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-84970183969253014252011-04-25T18:46:51.523-04:002011-04-25T18:46:51.523-04:00Bev: I think you're right. "Death by Na...Bev: I think you're right. "Death by Naivete" would be the umbrella term, with "foolish trust in dubious friends" and "foolish reliance on rules of civilization" as the subcategories.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-12539530622913146662011-04-25T18:31:09.119-04:002011-04-25T18:31:09.119-04:00This one takes the term useful idiots to a whole n...This one takes the term useful idiots to a whole new level. Still, I have no qualms against driving Hamas "into the sea" to borrow a phrase from a respected national leader.Tennessee Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-74949403705543263972011-04-25T18:06:50.796-04:002011-04-25T18:06:50.796-04:00All I can say is "oh well. . . should have kn...All I can say is "oh well. . . should have known better."AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-19460945361030053712011-04-25T17:32:13.755-04:002011-04-25T17:32:13.755-04:00Sadly, I think Daniel Pearl fits into the "de...Sadly, I think Daniel Pearl fits into the "death by naivete" category too. He thought he was protected by his journalists' credentials. Sadly, he found out too late that he was not.BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-33678243879364305212011-04-25T17:18:22.290-04:002011-04-25T17:18:22.290-04:00FYI: The picture accompanying the article is just...FYI: The picture accompanying the article is just one of hundreds demonstrating Hamas violence. It is not a picture of Arrigoni. He was found hanged in a terrorist "safe house."LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-14500040475309785702011-04-25T17:15:50.297-04:002011-04-25T17:15:50.297-04:00T_Rav: Arrigoni was well-known in Europe, and kno...T_Rav: Arrigoni was well-known in Europe, and known somewhat to Americans who follow Middle East developments in depth. He was a prominent member of the International Solidarity Movement (a pro-Islamic version of the defunct Communist International). He was a very visible proponent of eliminating Israel from the map, and drew crowds in his native Italy as well as the Middle East. The average American wouldn't know much about him, but the American pro-Palestinians and other radicals should, if they value their lives. <br /><br />Arrigoni ran afoul of the Palestinian Salafist movement. Again, Americans may not be too familiar with that movement. It is a vicious radical outgrowth of Hamas. Its basic belief is that Hamas is too moderate. That is what gave Hamas its cover. It claimed that the Salafists had committed the murder and that they hadn't sanctioned it. But in reality, Hamas controls almost everything that goes on in Gaza. They are known to use the Salafists as their stalking-horses, and then often decry the action taken so as to look legitimate and humane.<br /><br />In America, the Tea Party considers the Republican Party to be too moderate. But the Tea Party attempts to use persuasion and the ballot box, rather than cold-blooded murder to advance its more stringent agenda. There is no comparison between the Tea Party and the Salafists, but Hamas would have us believe there is.<br /><br />When those who will not learn the lessons of history have it repeated, their education usually comes about two minutes too late. The discovery of the true nature of his executioners came too late for Arrigoni, and as you said, those who supported Stalin (and Hitler and Mao).LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-11097373198749569012011-04-25T16:57:37.123-04:002011-04-25T16:57:37.123-04:00Joel: This is a slightly different take on a simi...Joel: This is a slightly different take on a similar subject. Berg was a moderate/liberal who was neither pro-Palestinian nor pro-Hamas (and that could be Hezbollah or Al Qaeda, or the Muslim Brotherhood just as easily). He was much more in the "moral equivalence" crowd. He thought "common decency" would protect him. <br /><br />Arrigoni was all-out pro-Palestinian and in bed with Hamas. Rather than trust to human decency, he counted on their common beliefs to protect him. But he forgot the other factor--the inability of radical Islamics to count human life as having any value. Only goals matter, and anyone who gets in the way, friend or foe, is just gun-fodder. His underlying but consciously-abandoned Western belief in the loyal "band of brothers" led him to think he was safe. A fatal error.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-71369657057123567172011-04-25T16:49:31.424-04:002011-04-25T16:49:31.424-04:00Don't know too much about this Arrigoni. Did h...Don't know too much about this Arrigoni. Did he do anything memorable (Middle East-wise) that we would be aware of?<br /><br />Also, not to speak ill of the dead, but I have a feeling that this guy learned about as much about his executors' true nature in the end as the Soviets who ran afoul of Stalin did about theirs. (Which is to say, nothing at all.)T_Ravnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-77454832698920950072011-04-25T16:24:48.453-04:002011-04-25T16:24:48.453-04:00LawHawk,
This isn't the first time this has h...LawHawk,<br /><br />This isn't the first time this has happened. Is it?<br /><br />I remember back when a terrorist hacked off Nick Berg's head. Still people don't think it could happen to them. javascript:void(0)Joel Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.com