tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post2741826706768021142..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: Tax Time. . . Oh JoyAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-27418997192998905662011-04-10T21:22:02.854-04:002011-04-10T21:22:02.854-04:00wahsatchmo, I'm waiting until the last second ...wahsatchmo, I'm waiting until the last second because I owe a good deal this year.<br /><br />I'll tell you, I've never had a good tax experience. It seems that if something could go wrong, it has with one of my returns. And it seems that I always earn just enough that whatever exemption they just created doesn't apply to me. I see to be the guy they think needs to pay all the taxes for our government and I'm sick of it. I'm thinking of going on strike.<br /><br />On the state departments, like I said, I've never dealt with them, but it does seem to be a common characteristic of government to assume that you are at fault for their mistakes and no one ever has the authority to fix anything even when they realize their mistakes.<br /><br />Blech.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-69587088056598660002011-04-10T21:18:00.134-04:002011-04-10T21:18:00.134-04:00Seeker, I see that you have strong feelings on the...Seeker, I see that you have strong feelings on the FAIR tax. I haven't looked into enough to write anything about it, but I can tell you that the parts I've seen are troubling because they're surprisingly complex and they don't apply equally to all people and it strikes me as just a complex a system as we currently have, with just as many chances to play the social engineering game.<br /><br />I'm not a fan.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-51744907198452761972011-04-10T21:10:47.541-04:002011-04-10T21:10:47.541-04:00Andrew -
Yeah, the old IRS $0 basis assumption is...Andrew -<br /><br />Yeah, the old IRS $0 basis assumption is a pretty common notice, which usually scares the crap out of taxpayers when they see this massive bill after losing money on stock sales.<br /><br />I also get a lot of people who forget to tell me about their gambling winnings which are almost always offset by gambling losses. The IRS doesn't know about the losses, but they sure know about the winnings.<br /><br />But the IRS generally has channels to protest through, plus the Taxpayer Advocate used to be pretty good to work with. Now they're not as useful; they just check to see if the rest of the IRS is ignoring you.<br /><br />With the state departments, though, it's almost impossible to protest anything without getting one step away from the courts. I had one situation where a taxpayer made a large check out the the US Treasury and accidentally sent it the AZ DOR. Arizona cashed it, didn't credit the taxpayer's account, and refused to give it back. It took a year to get the money back.<br /><br />Back to tax returns! Remember you have until April 18th this year, so feel free to procrastinate!wahsatchmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15990668466361072408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-70178783591992897352011-04-10T21:05:47.897-04:002011-04-10T21:05:47.897-04:00Yes we need a new tax code!
But Fairtax -- while ...Yes we need a new tax code!<br /><br />But Fairtax -- while it sounds great -- is goofy deceptive nonsense.<br /><br />Did you know that Fairtax is MUCH MUCH more than a "tax on personal consumption"?<br /><br />Oh they tell you about that part(sorta). That personal consumption tax.<br /><br />But that's only about half of Fairtax. There is an entire "second tier" of this "plan" in their fine print.<br /><br />You literally have to show the fine print to their own spokesmen, before they will admit it -- but when they start admitting it, they brag about it.<br /><br />They don't just ADMIT there is a second tier of taxation, they are like "WELL OF COURSE" --funny. <br /><br />Funny because they have spent a lot of effort hiding that second tier.<br /><br />By the way the second tier of Fairtax is goofy nonsense. It's on the government. City government, state government, county government.<br /><br />For example, the city of Los Angeles would owe 600 million dollars. I kid you not -- EACH YEAR. I am not kidding and I am not wrong.<br /><br />Fairtax spokesmen ADMIT this. Every city, every state.<br /><br />Yet they HIDE this in their fine print.<br /><br />The state government of Texas would owe about 8 billion BILLION!! And every city in Texas! And every county in Texas!<br /><br />I mean - it's really really goofy.<br /><br />But it's in their fine print, and when you corner them -- their official spokemen admit it, even brag about it.<br /><br />Go see what utter nosense the whole plan is.<br /><br />THey know it's nonsense, that is why they hid this second tier. <br /><br />Governments CAN NOT -- CAN NOT -- pay taxes, becuse the cost is just passed on. They hid it, to begin with, and then they make up lots of excuses, but they know it's BS.<br /><br />They know governments can't pay taxes. That's why they hid it.<br /><br />http://fairtaxfineprint.blogspot.com/Seekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10206503506011763393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-4015241386644511602011-04-10T20:40:59.552-04:002011-04-10T20:40:59.552-04:00wasatchmo, I haven't had problems with the sta...wasatchmo, I haven't had problems with the states, but I've had problems with the IRS all the time. One year they sent me a HUGE tax bill because they saw all the stocks I'd sold, but somehow didn't see that I'd also bought them. So they assumed I had a zero basis. That was fun.<br /><br />And what really drives me crazy is the amount of time it take for me to do my taxes. These forms say "2 hours" or "4 hours," but that's never true unless you have just the most simplistic returns. Ugh!AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-39206645483941040932011-04-10T20:38:29.993-04:002011-04-10T20:38:29.993-04:00T_Rav, I'm not sure how many of the people who...T_Rav, I'm not sure how many of the people who support have actually read through it? I get the point they are trying to achieve, but it seems to me it just replaced on complex system with another?<br /><br />In terms of having more justification to tax sales than income, I think that's right. Taxing income is like slavery in my book.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-79615260733463403502011-04-10T20:29:09.479-04:002011-04-10T20:29:09.479-04:00As someone who makes most of his money from tax pr...As someone who makes most of his money from tax preparation and representation, I'd like to say that our horribly complex tax system is wonderfully confusing and should not be simplified in any way.<br /><br />In fact, the applicable law should change depending on the day of the week you file, e.g. Thursday is double-the-mortgage-interest-deduction day!<br /><br />But I still hate the IRS. Even worse than the IRS, though, are state revenue agencies. I'm sick of getting letters from California demanding returns from my Arizona clients who might have had the misfortune to step foot in the Golden State (which should be revised to the "Tin State", based on its current finances). <br /><br />And I'm sick of Arizona DOR employees making up their own law to intimidate laypersons into paying incorrect assessments. Just because they don't know how to enter something in their computers doesn't mean that it is now the law of the land.wahsatchmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15990668466361072408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-3219122971757360252011-04-10T18:00:09.852-04:002011-04-10T18:00:09.852-04:00Andrew, I'm not crazy about the Fair Tax. I th...Andrew, I'm not crazy about the Fair Tax. I think the government has more right to tax what we buy than what we earn; and yet a flat tax would almost certainly be much easier to collect and require less of a bureaucracy than it would. But as you say, some people are really hipped on it.T_Ravnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-86384985089905634422011-04-10T17:59:52.547-04:002011-04-10T17:59:52.547-04:00T_Rav, No, not really. Well, actually, yes, yes i...T_Rav, No, not really. Well, actually, yes, yes it answers my question. It just doesn't provide any answers. I guess Obama did this "because" and he'll stop when he gets bored hearing about it. It was nice having a President years ago, it's too bad we don't have one now.Ednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-27813479247349243922011-04-10T16:31:48.381-04:002011-04-10T16:31:48.381-04:00Bev,
The FAIR tax is a tax plan that a lot of con...Bev,<br /><br />The FAIR tax is a tax plan that a lot of conservatives like. I don't. I think it's too complex and will be just as bad as the current system. But a lot of people like it.<br /><br />Here's a link to their site: <a href="http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer" rel="nofollow">FAIR Tax</a>AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-52643895435929960602011-04-10T16:30:37.724-04:002011-04-10T16:30:37.724-04:00Bev, I don't know what's worse, having a w...Bev, I don't know what's worse, having a well armed enemy at your front.... or the UN covering your back?<br /><br />I heard they started painting the roofs of their cars pink so they wouldn't be bombed.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-16304135709669127102011-04-10T16:29:13.346-04:002011-04-10T16:29:13.346-04:00BTW, what is a "Fair tax"?BTW, what is a "Fair tax"?BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-68712390677928895192011-04-10T16:27:03.049-04:002011-04-10T16:27:03.049-04:00Well, let see the UN has already bombed the "...Well, let see the UN has already bombed the "Rebels" because they were not aware they had tanks. This is just like when they bombed the Chinese Embassy in Yugoslavia 'cause they didn't look at a map...BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-31174659725873235482011-04-10T16:10:15.854-04:002011-04-10T16:10:15.854-04:00T_Rav, Strangely, I don't care about the spell...T_Rav, Strangely, I don't care about the spelling either! LOL!<br /><br />I see this as you do. I think Obama made some stupid promises at the get go and he's going to break those one by one until we end up with a bunch of troops sitting in the desert with no idea what their goal is or what the rules of engagement are. If he doesn't grow some leadership skills fast, this is going to turn into his own Vietnam.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-84381696932907967412011-04-10T16:07:52.975-04:002011-04-10T16:07:52.975-04:00Bev, In terms of who audits the auditors, the evid...Bev, In terms of who audits the auditors, the evidence seems to be that no one does. But I'm ready to start. I've got a big, heavy flashlight, some duct table, and grudge a mile wide! I'll be more than happy to show them the kindness and decency they've shown all the rest of us. :-)AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-82215749255981941512011-04-10T16:07:25.185-04:002011-04-10T16:07:25.185-04:00Andrew, I guess I should steel myself with the tho...Andrew, I guess I should steel myself with the thought that it could always be worse.<br /><br />On Libya, the latest is that the rebels are losing control of Ajdibaya (yes, I probably misspelled that and no, I don't really care), which is the gateway to their stronghold of Benghazi, so I'm sure the calls for additional intervention will only increase. Either way, Obama's screwed himself. He's already broken his "Days, not weeks" promise, and breaking the one on ground troops would look really bad; on the other hand, it's becoming painfully obvious NATO can't even keep up the air strikes without us. So that leaves us...where?<br /><br />Also, Tiger is actually burning up the golf course right now. I always like golf, but it's a pretty good game today.T-Ravnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-48549338394547090202011-04-10T15:49:44.283-04:002011-04-10T15:49:44.283-04:00So, who audits the IRS auditors? Don't you th...So, who audits the IRS auditors? Don't you think it should the taxpayers?BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-22990535214038245382011-04-10T15:47:07.195-04:002011-04-10T15:47:07.195-04:00Jed, I like the sale tax, so long as it's visi...Jed, I like the sale tax, so long as it's visible -- I don't like the VAT. I would love to see the end of tax playing and April 15th. And you're right, that would be a huge boost to American productivity.<br /><br />I saw Obama was trying to claim credit for the cuts. Good luck! He might as well claim credit for inventing the internet.<br /><br />I've heard Tiger ain't what he used to be.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-46497805950748889752011-04-10T15:41:42.200-04:002011-04-10T15:41:42.200-04:00I am more of a sales or consumption tax kind of a ...I am more of a sales or consumption tax kind of a guy--flat, of course. With apologies to those who are tax accountants, I want a simplified code, no deductions. It is levied at point of sale. No complexity, no April 15th. The USA would actually become a place where business wants to locate. Bet the govt. gets more revenue, to boot.<br /><br />Drill, baby drill, and Tiger is sucking the joy out of Masters Sunday. Oh, and Obama trying to take credit for the spending cuts is l.o.l. funny.Tennessee Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-82212656723855293292011-04-10T15:36:04.648-04:002011-04-10T15:36:04.648-04:00I want a sales or consumption tax--flat, of course...I want a sales or consumption tax--flat, of course.Tennessee Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-74594486667746998172011-04-10T15:25:52.051-04:002011-04-10T15:25:52.051-04:00T_Rav, Here's your link: LINK
As I read it, ...T_Rav, Here's your link: <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/07/501364/main20051760.shtml#ixzz1IrtMwlxl" rel="nofollow">LINK</a><br /><br />As I read it, they have no plan, they are mucking their way through it, and now they're preparing to send ground troops as evidenced by their over-the-top denials that they will ever send ground troops.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-50180358597077604552011-04-10T15:21:09.433-04:002011-04-10T15:21:09.433-04:00Also, Ed, does this answer your question about Lib...Also, Ed, does this answer your question about Libya?<br /><br />http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/07/501364/main20051760.shtml#ixzz1IrtMwlxlT_Ravnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-43490994508200195942011-04-10T15:20:30.951-04:002011-04-10T15:20:30.951-04:00T_Rav, Imagine if you worked in all 50 states as s...T_Rav, Imagine if you worked in all 50 states as some people do. I think I would just run the risk that they would never find me.<br /><br />I never get money back. On the one hand, I don't want them keeping any of my money they don't deserve. On the other, I have to pay these stupid estimated taxes each quarter, so I get to decide how much to pay -- under threat of being fined if I'm wrong.<br /><br />In any event, taxes suck and I'm thinking I like DUQ's idea.<br /><br />On the voting, yeah I saw that someone voted pro-IRS. Must be an IRS PR person?AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-73606969588288472692011-04-10T15:16:42.434-04:002011-04-10T15:16:42.434-04:00DUQ, I like that idea! Let's get rid of taxes...DUQ, I like that idea! Let's get rid of taxes entirely and then the Feds can go work for it... or beg for it! LOL!AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-70175693228948050612011-04-10T15:08:59.639-04:002011-04-10T15:08:59.639-04:00Okay, which one of you jokers said "No, I hat...Okay, which one of you jokers said "No, I hate America" on the Would You Abolish the IRS question? Awful.<br /><br />Anyway, I'm especially ticked off this year because not only did I have to pay a boatload to the feds, and not get any money back, I also had to pay state taxes to both Missouri AND Mississippi. I mean, yeah, I got $54.00 back from MS, but does that make up my losses? Heck no. Stupid freaking government. And how is it that if the budget hadn't passed and the government had shut down, the IRS would still be making us pay our taxes, but wouldn't be sending refunds? Grrrrr....T_Ravnoreply@blogger.com