tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post3174951801108394337..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: Romney's Great Speech At The NAACPAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger136125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-15929184474653321442012-07-14T06:04:40.240-04:002012-07-14T06:04:40.240-04:00In my college the school sent me a copy of its mag...In my college the school sent me a copy of its magazine which featured an article in which a white guy stated the college wasn't ready for interracial relationships (this was in 1992). <br /><br />Suffice to say when I got to college I found out the guy must not have gotten out much.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16124128949343301445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-10619083718341258702012-07-14T00:21:13.858-04:002012-07-14T00:21:13.858-04:00USArtguy, Wow. I've heard of peer pressure, b...USArtguy, Wow. I've heard of peer pressure, but that's pretty aggressive. And it is sad.<br /><br />By the time I was in law school, interracial dating and marriage were getting pretty commonplace, and no one I know really batted an eye when they saw a mixed race couple. Love works in mysterious ways and people really shouldn't stand in the way of other people's love.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-73313086028892380492012-07-13T22:59:48.821-04:002012-07-13T22:59:48.821-04:00My relationships with black folk have been the sam...My relationships with black folk have been the same as any other: I get along great with some, not so great with others. Way back in my single, college days, I had a serious year-long romantic relationship with a black girl. Other than my very old aunt, not one of my white friends or kin ever gave me, or her, any problems or ever said anything untoward. After she met my girlfriend face to face, even my aunt made nice. <br /><br />On the other hand, my girlfriend told me she often got visits and phone calls (even a shoed me a letter one time) from people in the NAACP chapter on campus, among others, "counseling' her on the evils of dating a white boy while other blacks would just come right out and say things to her like she was a traitor to her race. Sad.USArtguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06062334713741697082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-9030560309594493952012-07-13T19:11:19.174-04:002012-07-13T19:11:19.174-04:00By the way, Joel, I see that Rice is absolutely de...By the way, Joel, I see that Rice is absolutely denying that she wants to be VP now.<br /><br />Interestingly, Drudge, who is pushing the idea, put up a poll and 63% of 400,000 voters say they thought she should be the nominee.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-34507586114122006852012-07-13T15:15:25.549-04:002012-07-13T15:15:25.549-04:00Anthony, That could be it too. Whatever the reaso...Anthony, That could be it too. Whatever the reason, there was real venom in these people. They hated all whites and constantly spoke about being oppressed, which was utterly ridiculous.<br /><br />Then they tried to get a professor fired for using the word nigger in class -- he used it in a torts class and asked (based on a real case) "if the KKK is marching through town and they are chanting 'death to all niggers' is that an actionable tort?" They went to the Washington Post and tried to spin this as the professor being racist and claimed he picked this example to make them uncomfortable. Give me a break! That ultimately became a mini-scandal.<br /><br />What was really amazing to me is that I grew up knowing a lot of poor black kids (I grew up dirt poor), and we always got along. There was no sense that we were anything other than friends -- not black and white, nothing. In grade school and high school (by the time we were middle class), we sat in the same classes, played football together, hung out together, and nobody ever thought to mention race.<br /><br />In college, you heard rumblings but rarely ran into those people.<br /><br />But then in law school, it suddenly exploded. It was stunning because of all the blacks I've ever met, these had the least cause to complain about anything. Their parents were rich and everything they wanted had been handed to them. Yet, they were the ones who screamed about being held down. It was startling.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-2192719833604755202012-07-13T14:45:12.050-04:002012-07-13T14:45:12.050-04:00AndrewPrice said...
T-Rav, They definitely learne...AndrewPrice said... <br />T-Rav, They definitely learned it in college from their professors (many of whom were white).<br />--------<br /><br />Sometimes students are poisoned by their professors, but sometimes other factors (such as culture shock) are at play. Below is one of the possible reactions to culture shock (clipped from Wikipedia). <br />----<br /><br />There are three basic outcomes of the Adjustment Phase:<br /><br />Some people find it impossible to accept the foreign culture and integrate. They isolate themselves from the host country's environment, which they come to perceive as hostile, withdraw into a "ghetto" and see return to their own culture as the only way out. These "Rejectors" also have the greatest problems re-integrating back home after return. <br />------<br /><br />I saw that phenomena a lot among the black students when I was an undergrad (there were never more than 40 of us out of a student body of 800something, so everybody knew everybody to some degree) and later in life when I travelled abroad I saw it quite a bit (of course, abroad the unifying factor is nationality) as well.<br /><br />I remember one particularly egregious case in which a group of African (Gambia, Ethiopia and Senegal IIRC) freshwomen who started off nice if a bit shy started acting ghetto and militant after a couple months, despite the fact they had never experienced any discrimination and came from extremely privileged backgrounds. <br /><br />Adjusting to a new culture and finding your place in it can be tough, and sometimes militancy is just some people's way to try to make being an outsider 'cool', an act of choice and defiance rather than something unfortunate.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16124128949343301445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-71095607767655843752012-07-13T14:40:42.258-04:002012-07-13T14:40:42.258-04:00Indi, Progressivism has many of the trappings of a...Indi, Progressivism has many of the trappings of a cult, but secularism doesn't. Secularism is simply avoiding the issue. That fact that progressivism has made a fetish of atheism doesn't change the nature of secularism. They are simply using secularism as a form of attack on behalf of atheism.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-51828984489749755852012-07-13T14:37:01.210-04:002012-07-13T14:37:01.210-04:00Andrew
Secularist Progressivism as it is practice...Andrew<br /><br />Secularist Progressivism as it is practiced by the left is a Cult......<br /><br />Secularism may mean something else to the dictionary but then again English was invented by ancient white racists mysognists so definitions should be gotten from somewhere other than the dictionary. Don't worry there is probably a list of approved words in The Little Blue BookIndividualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-59273320134591506552012-07-13T14:09:25.348-04:002012-07-13T14:09:25.348-04:00tryanmax, I'm going to disagree with you a bit...tryanmax, I'm going to disagree with you a bit. Secularism, as you're calling it, is not a belief system. It is an attempt to keep the government from taking a position in either direction, i.e. to ignore the issue completely. Atheism, however, is a belief system.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-88502952635833047322012-07-13T14:03:34.524-04:002012-07-13T14:03:34.524-04:00Indie, oh no, according to the left, secularism an...Indie, oh no, according to the left, secularism and atheism are not religions at all. That is why they are the state-approved belief systems. <br /><br />"But isn't "belief system" just another word for "religion?"<br /><br />Uh, no. Not when a mandate enforced by financial penalty is actually called a "tax."tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-70756744558752140862012-07-13T13:52:15.722-04:002012-07-13T13:52:15.722-04:00All Hail the Obaqmasaiih!! Mayhap we all pray for...All Hail the Obaqmasaiih!! Mayhap we all pray for the beneficience of Great Obama's Stash. May we be counted worthy by the Bureaucrat's of the One. Amen!Secular Progressivesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-91074175713906245512012-07-13T13:51:45.431-04:002012-07-13T13:51:45.431-04:00Tyranmax
If we are discussing the tenants of secu...Tyranmax<br /><br />If we are discussing the tenants of secular progressivism is that not already bringing in a religious argument to the conversation.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-45050244703574304682012-07-13T13:30:31.062-04:002012-07-13T13:30:31.062-04:00tryanmax, When I was in DC (Northern Virginia actu...tryanmax, When I was in DC (Northern Virginia actually), which has a very large Hispanic population from many different countries, they were definitely unhappy about the Republicans. They didn't like the focus on illegal aliens and they thought Republicans were talking about Hispanics generally.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-14788125289921277462012-07-13T13:15:55.563-04:002012-07-13T13:15:55.563-04:00T-Rav, They definitely learned it in college from ...T-Rav, They definitely learned it in college from their professors (many of whom were white). But it was a real shocker. Here were kids who came from families where the mother and father were doctors and lawyers, they lived in McMansions, drove expensive cars, and (frankly) got passed through school at great schools with no one ever telling them they were wrong about anything. Yet, they HATED everyone for "oppressing" them.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-27845031058007266292012-07-13T13:07:54.515-04:002012-07-13T13:07:54.515-04:00Andrew, I didn't mean to drag in religion, too...Andrew, I didn't mean to drag in religion, too. It's just where my mind was this morning. :-)tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-34440345680225132952012-07-13T13:06:24.576-04:002012-07-13T13:06:24.576-04:00Anthony, it seems your experience with Hispanics i...Anthony, it seems your experience with Hispanics is directly opposite mine. I've long been baffled because my own anecdotal experience is completely counter to the political narrative, but I knew there must be those like you've encountered out there. <br /><br />What is truly amazing to me is that I've been stumbling my way through Spanish-language news sites (I am far from fluent) and to the best of my ability to tell, the attitude in the Spanish-language media is against illegal immigration with very sharp distinctions made between illegal and legal. The way Democrats have made inroads with Hispanics on the issue, it seems, is the same way they do it in English: portray the Republicans as making no distinction between the two and that they are the party that knows the difference. Of course, we know the opposite to be true, but Republicans routinely fall into the trap of accepting the Democrats' premise. That needs to end, and this issue is a perfect example of why.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-75537835393232797952012-07-13T13:06:00.539-04:002012-07-13T13:06:00.539-04:00Anthony, I was thinking the same thing actually ab...Anthony, I was thinking the same thing actually about the Hispanic vote. I know with Asians that Vietnamese and Koreans trend Republican whereas Chinese and Japanese trend Democratic. With Hispanics, I know Cubans trend Republican, but I don't know about the rest.<br /><br />On the immigration issue, frankly, I think Republicans are making a huge mistake. Their rhetoric is often thinly-veiled racism, whether they mean it to be or not. They are also advocating things that simply can't happen, and paying a high price for being seen promoting those things. Why do that? Just drop the obnoxious parts, work on a solution, and stop antagonizing people over something you can't even do? It's like threatening to burn down 10% of the houses in the city.<br /><br />I am hoping that Romney will start to change the relationship with Hispanics over the next eight years.<br />attached to those positionsAndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-74534797884492173762012-07-13T13:05:55.358-04:002012-07-13T13:05:55.358-04:00Anthony, as I've said before, Mexico has no ro...Anthony, as I've said before, Mexico has no room to protest U.S. border policies until it starts throwing rose petals and sunshine to the Guatemalans entering it in the south. (Right now, not doing that.)T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-57792781432341278642012-07-13T13:01:47.866-04:002012-07-13T13:01:47.866-04:00Andrew, in my defense, I did not know that was an ...Andrew, in my defense, I did not know that was an endangered species of gerbil, and they respond well to displays of dominance. <br /><br />Don't blame your college acquaintances, blame the oppression theory and racial solidarity doctrines they were exposed to. Postmodernism at work, huh?T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-60667195409093338222012-07-13T12:54:42.171-04:002012-07-13T12:54:42.171-04:00With the Hispanic vote, I'd be interested to s...With the Hispanic vote, I'd be interested to see a country by country breakdown. Culturally and politically there is a lot of variance in Latin America and I would be deeply shocked if that variance isn't reflected in voting patterns here in the US. <br /><br />For example, we know that 67% of non-Cuban hispanics voted for Obama in 2008, but only 35% of the Cuban vote, and that 35% was a historic high.<br /><br />http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-11-06-hispanics_N.htm<br /><br />A lot of Hispanics I've spoken to seem to view being anti-illegal immigration as being anti-Hispanic (despite the fact that most Latin American countries are orders of magnitude tougher on illegal immigrants than the US is) so I'm not sure that non-Cuban Hispanics are going to fall in love with Republicans this election cycle. <br /><br />On the other hand, Obama has deported people at a much, much faster clip then Bush did and until his recent temporary gesture he hasn't demonstrated an interest in providing legal status to illegals. So I suspect Hispanics aren't going to fell in love with the Democrats either.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16124128949343301445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-64641282822302402722012-07-13T12:14:32.568-04:002012-07-13T12:14:32.568-04:00tryanmax, Sure, let's add religion to this dis...tryanmax, Sure, let's add religion to this discussion! LOL!<br /><br />Seriously though, you make an excellent point. To those who can't grasp cause and effect (young children and liberals), a lot about the world seems like magic. To them, things seem to happen random or just because others intend them that way. They don't grasp the vital missing piece, where the person causes the effect they want... they seem to think that's automatic.<br /><br />And if you can't grasp that idea, then you will never be able to generate the effects you want because you lack the ability to diagnose the types of actions that are needed to cause the effect. That again explains much of liberalism:<br /><br />1. I want people to be fed.<br />2. The government can do that because it can get food and give it to them.<br /><br />That ignores everything you need to understand the hunger issue. But it seems so simple and so obvious to liberals that they can't grasp why anyone would object (because they don't see all the steps they are missing). Thus, if you object, then you must want people to starve.<br /><br />I see this all the time from liberals. They have some effect they want and so they either want the government experts to make it so, or they latch onto the most direct, childish method for achieving it and they never stop to think about whether it would actually work or what the collateral damage would be.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-43560797551698282812012-07-13T12:05:27.817-04:002012-07-13T12:05:27.817-04:00T-Rav, Well, we did try to call your house to tell...T-Rav, Well, we did try to call your house to tell you to come back, but your mom said you had been arrested for unlawful use of a pitchfork. ;)<br /><br />Interestingly, my experiences with blacks in Colorado has always been very positive. It wasn't until I went to law school that I first met a group of really angry blacks -- very privileged kids with a LOT of hate in their hearts.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-16975936454232396702012-07-13T11:49:00.997-04:002012-07-13T11:49:00.997-04:00Hmmm, I apparently missed a good discussion while ...Hmmm, I apparently missed a good discussion while out yesterday. Isn't that always the way....<br /><br />On the racial purity thing--well, I can't say much from personal experience because I don't live in an area with a high black population. But, I do have a sister who's dating a black guy from St. Louis, and has gone to meet his family, and many of his older relatives are downright resentful of him being involved with a white girl. The things they've said about interracial relationships are about as nasty as anything I've heard elderly white people say about it.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-89955709370155976232012-07-13T11:48:59.565-04:002012-07-13T11:48:59.565-04:00Very interesting that you should boil it down to c...Very interesting that you should boil it down to cause and effect because I was just mulling over that very thing this morning from a religious angle. My entire upbringing told me that God can, does, and will supersede cause-and-effect and so we should worship Him. However, I've always been fascinated by the science programs that demonstrate how the miracles of the Bible could have had natural causes, and I've gravitated toward that mode of thinking, that God and His actions can be understood rationally. <br /><br />So when I look to the world and see that a good third to half of all people can't grasp something as simple as cause-and-effect, I begin to believe that my upbringing was essentially wrong. Who was it that observed that advanced technology seems like magic to the uninformed? That's simple cause-and-effect to liberals! They are routinely baffled by the simplest predictions and just imagine the correct deduction occurred by luck.<br /><br />I'm having one of those "thinking too much" days.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-60877027319458101952012-07-13T11:32:22.425-04:002012-07-13T11:32:22.425-04:00tryanmax, I've often found that with liberals....tryanmax, I've often found that with liberals. They decide that they want some policy to achieve X result. Thus, if you disagree with the policy then your goal must be the opposite of X. Hence, if I want to feed children, and you oppose my methods, then you must want to starve children.<br /><br />It never occurs to them that both sides could have the same goals but with different methods. And I think the reason for that is that liberals don't understand cause and effect. They don't put together that just because they want a policy to achieve something doesn't mean it will because they see the intention as being all that matters.<br /><br />That's why I keep running into liberals who will keep doing the same failed things over and over and expect it to finally work one of these days. They just aren't intelligent enough to understand how cause and effect work.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.com