tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post3540142371343522999..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: Martin Case? What Martin Case?AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger133125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-73827038753775944902012-05-28T14:16:26.519-04:002012-05-28T14:16:26.519-04:00Yeah, I should probably let it go. :)Yeah, I should probably let it go. :)tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-92047497958517658772012-05-28T13:43:20.218-04:002012-05-28T13:43:20.218-04:00Are you folks still arguing about this? Actually, ...Are you folks still arguing about this? Actually, it's been interesting reading what you all are saying. :)AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-1249474612712354192012-05-28T13:39:26.322-04:002012-05-28T13:39:26.322-04:00Anthony, You say you won't hear speculation, t...Anthony, <i>You say you won't hear speculation, then you speculate. Fair enough.</i><br /><br />I will admit to a minor point of speculation. When I said, <i>“…with ill intent,”</i> that was speculation, however reasonable. Zimmerman may just as well have been concerned that Martin might return with balloons. The point about Martin returning is not speculation, though; Zimmerman had already expressed that concern. <br /><br />Zimmerman said, “I don’t want to give it [the address] out -- I don’t know where this kid [Martin] is.” Juxtaposed as they are, these two statements tell us that Zimmerman did not want Martin to overhear his address, an expression of concern that Martin might be in earshot. This is not speculation, this is English grammar, and it is all in the record. <br /><br />Besides that, I made no speculation. Rather, I was commenting on the nature of statements Zimmerman made in the 911 call. I suppose Zimmerman may have been engaged in a ruse, but to entertain that would be speculation.<br /><br />You may have also regarded <i>“Perhaps he thought it imprudent to wait by the mailboxes.”</i> as a speculation. Note that it was merely illustrative of my prior statement and was not part of the case I was making.<br /><br />As to the rest of your comment, you appear undeterred from making speculation, so you leave me little to respond to. On colorful language: I didn’t refute its usage, but you are in such a fighting mood you must not have noticed. On the generalization that a sane man would wait in his vehicle: not if he didn't believe it to be safe. Everything else in your last comment is speculation.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-31879015279196142722012-05-28T13:36:44.106-04:002012-05-28T13:36:44.106-04:00Anthony
The real time of the shooting does not ch...Anthony<br /><br />The real time of the shooting does not change anything. Martin got into a fight with an adult. He let this fight continue to the point that he was on top of the man (not letting him up) and beating him.<br /><br />This is the action of a criminal and a lowlife. It is one thing to get into a fight. It is another to attempt to beat on someone who is down. I did not state the time and trying to point out "errors" that are not relevant does not dismiss this point. <br /><br />My point is still relevant. Martin did not like Zimmerman following him he could have a) walked away or b) told him so of c) called the police himself.<br /><br />Martin chose option d) beat the S#$% out of the m@#$@#$#@ and teach him a lesson. <br /><br />By defending this kid's actions the only thing you accomplish is to convince more children they can get away with this behavior. It will only lead to more of such tragedies.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-55888194941539577222012-05-28T04:21:42.978-04:002012-05-28T04:21:42.978-04:00Tryanmax,
You say you won't hear speculation...Tryanmax, <br /><br />You say you won't hear speculation, then you speculate. Fair enough.<br /><br />If Zimmerman was concerned about giving out his address, his fear wasn't that Martin would return to the area in the future (going to a location after words are spoken doesn't allow one to divine the words) but that he had hadn't continued at a dead run after getting out of sight of Zimmerman.<br /><br />As for the colorful language Zimmerman used, it was in regards to people he called in always getting away. Earlier in the month the police missed a guy he had called in (see the record below and bear in mind that GOA means gone out of area) and it wasn't the first time. Zimmerman had complained (apparently with some justification) about the work ethic of the police in the past (during a ride along a cop showed him his favor nap spots).<br /><br />http://www.scribd.com/doc/87388079/George-Zimmerman-s-911-Call-History<br /><br />http://www.kansascity.com/2012/05/23/3624810/zimmerman-rode-with-cops-ripped.html<br /><br />A sane man would have waited for the police in his vehicle. Zimmerman did no such thing because he did not think the police would respond in time to detain Martin and he had no intention of letting Martin get away.<br /><br />As for Martin's mistake, he clearly underestimated Zimmerman's obsession. Leaving the road and getting out of sight of the weird guy stalking him should have ended his problems, but instead Zimmerman got out of his vehicle and went after him.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16124128949343301445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-73729480505970831722012-05-28T02:57:00.736-04:002012-05-28T02:57:00.736-04:00Individualist,
7 PM is pretty far from 'all h...Individualist,<br /><br />7 PM is pretty far from 'all hours of the night' and going to the store and making one's way back home isn't 'roaming'.<br /><br />You are ignoring your factual errors (I already informed you of the real time of the shooting, but here's a link) and stacking more errors on top of them.<br /><br />http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-04-09/trayvon-martin-timeline-florida-shooting/54129274/1Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16124128949343301445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-29265386591721547392012-05-27T23:16:16.719-04:002012-05-27T23:16:16.719-04:00Anthony, you are totally sold on the idea that Zim...Anthony, you are totally sold on the idea that Zimmerman followed Martin for more than the ~20 seconds that the 911 call supports. That Zimmerman followed Martin for any length of time besides that is pure speculation. I simply won't hear it. <br /><br />There are a plethora of reasons why Zimmerman would have changed his mind about how and where the cops should find him. Perhaps he thought it imprudent to wait by the mailboxes. He did express nervousness about giving out his address not knowing whether Martin was in earshot, which suggests he was already concerned that Martin might return with ill intent. Turns out...<br /><br />Is it interesting that Zimmerman used colorful language in describing other individuals committing break-ins in his neighborhood? Relatable, yes, but hardly remarkable. <br /><br />I've provided you a plausible explanation for why Zimmerman acted as we know he did. I cannot offer any explanation for events you have conjured up yourself.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-70008512380045549602012-05-27T22:58:39.810-04:002012-05-27T22:58:39.810-04:00Indie, you are too right (on your 5:55 comment). Y...Indie, you are too right (on your 5:55 comment). You clarified exactly what I was trying to express. It becomes difficult to separate the individual from the group when so many individuals join in a group behavior. I also figured it went without saying (in this forum) that I have encountered exceptions to both patterns--with the somewhat obvious exception of being called racial slurs by other whites.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-42856303065392984602012-05-27T22:03:39.847-04:002012-05-27T22:03:39.847-04:00Anthony
Martin is a kid. If you had a 17 year ol...Anthony<br /><br />Martin is a kid. If you had a 17 year old would you let them walk the streets at all hours of the night. Woulod you not demand to know where they are.<br /><br />If I had a teenager outside at mindnight and an adult stopped him and asked him who he was and why he was there and what he was doing and did his dad know where he was I would expect him to politely answer. Why wouldn't you.<br /><br />And a parent who does not try to instill this in his child and lets them roam the street at night and gets angry with anyone questioning who they are is only asking for that child to get raped or mugged or worse to become the raper or the mugger.<br /><br />I am talking aobut the cultural norms that I am seeing on the TV and media that I truly beleive lead to tragedies like this. These norms are promulgated by liberals that act as if a neighborhood watchman has no business questioning a 17 year kid in their neighborhood. This is put out on TV and quite frankly they are wrong.<br /><br />You are making an assumption that Zimmerman is evil and a murderer but the facts don't in anyway support that. IF I had a 17 year old that ended up in a fight with an adult he would not see the outside world for six months. I don't care what the circumstance was. And if I found out the kid was on top of the individual beating him while he was on the ground and no longer able to defend himself. When he got home I might shoot him myself.<br /><br />There is simply no excuse whatsoever for Trayvon MArtin's actions. He is dead so the only good thing to come out of this is to try to correct what the media is doing in making false justifications for it.<br /><br />There is no circumstance where what Trayvon did is not terrible.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-8967857694216117542012-05-27T19:55:52.484-04:002012-05-27T19:55:52.484-04:00Individualist said:
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You act as if Zimmerman ...Individualist said:<br /><br />----<br />You act as if Zimmerman and Martin are equals. They are not. Martin is an older adult and MArtin is a young kid. Zimmerman in the parlance of the 19th century is his Elder and as a youth Martin should "show him respect". <br /><br />and<br /><br />If I am an adult and I see a young kid out in the neighborhood past midnight I should follow the kid. I should ask him who he is, what he is doing there, if his parents know he is out. The kid should respect the fact that I am doing this for everyone's good and answer.<br />-----<br /><br />In what universe is 17 a 'young kid'? 'Young kid' is a way I'd describe my 7 year old, not my 11 year old, let alone the 17 year old Martin.<br /><br />Also, the shooting occured at 7 PM, not after midnight.<br /><br />And no sane person of any age or color should submit to a random strange of any color. There are more rapists and muggers than neighborhood watchmen.<br /><br />Also, you say at one point Martin should be viewed as an individual, but you don't seem to be focused on his life or the circumstances of his death. Instead you talk about John Park, O, affirmative action and how how liberals are less comfortable talking to blacks than whites were in the days of Bull Conner.<br /><br />Setting the case in a larger context is fine and good, but one should make sure one understands the details of the individual lives and deaths of the people in the case we are discussing.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16124128949343301445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-34818237136541969812012-05-27T18:52:09.491-04:002012-05-27T18:52:09.491-04:00Tryanmax,
If a guy following you in the middle of...Tryanmax,<br /><br />If a guy following you in the middle of the night wouldn't make you nervous, you are a bolder man than most. If a guy is following you in a car, leaving the road is a sensible option. I've been shadowed (and worse) by security but I've never had random people follow me when walking down the street.<br /><br />Also, the reason to believe Zimmerman stayed on the move after the 911 call is the fact he first said he would wait by the mailboxes, then just told the operator the cops should call him when they were close.<br /><br />Its also interesting that Zimmerman complained on the 911 call that 'they always got away' (using more colorful language). <br /><br />----<br /><br />Last but not least, I think Zimmerman calling the police was perfectly reasonable. His going further than that is the problem.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16124128949343301445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-62248766085237594122012-05-27T17:55:03.231-04:002012-05-27T17:55:03.231-04:00tyranmax
In the end it is not black people that a...tyranmax<br /><br />In the end it is not black people that act like that but balck individuals. You notice this because the individuals that block the aysle are the ones who want the problem. Who buy into the meme. There are black people that are normal as you or I and they are not the ones purposely blocking the aylse.<br /><br />What happens is that people get socialized into actions and see that they can get away with things. Many black people put on this front because they know they won't be challenged or that those who do will be challenged by the establishment. They get led into a situation where what they know is immoral behavior becomes justified.<br /><br />Liberals will talk of cultural differences and understanding but morality is not a fungible psychiatric or sociological norm invented by society. Right and wrong do exist and wrong brings about bad results especially for the person doing wrong. <br /><br />White southerners were racist and segregated blacks and they remained poorer than the rest of the country.<br /><br />Blacks today are practicing similar xenophobic memes and they have high unemployment rates, more men in jail.<br /><br />The liberal elites who applaud the elements of this culture that work to create these circumstances would never allow this for their children. Black people that I know who are successful have abandoned the gangsta culture and the xenophobic attitude to anyone not black, to disrespecting kids that excel in school or get jobs.<br /><br />As an 19th century british officer is attributed to say in India to tribesman regarding burning widows on a funeral pyre.<br /><br />"I understand you have a custom of burning widows with their husbands but we British have a custom as well. We take people who burn widows alive and we put a rope around their neck and hang them until you they are dead. So you practice your custom and we will practice ours"Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-10342525552872795242012-05-27T14:03:26.458-04:002012-05-27T14:03:26.458-04:00Indie, I haven't been confronted with it like ...Indie, I haven't been confronted with it like you have, but I am familiar with that separate set of norms you talk about. I live in the part of Omaha that is generously referred to as “northwest.” North Omaha is predominantly lower-middle-class and black and West Omaha is predominantly upper-middle-class and white, so you can do the math on my neighborhood. <br /><br />What this means is that I am constantly navigating two sets of social norms, and the route I take depends largely on the shade of my skin. For example, in a setting like a grocery store where there are narrow walkways that are easily obstructed, it is rare to find a group of white people socializing and blocking passage. On the other hand, it is common to find a group of black people doing so. Different social norms, I get it. I could move on if it were just that. <br /><br />However, on the rare occasion where I encounter whites blocking the aisle, I can simply say “excuse me” and be let through, usually with a chipper reply of, “excuse <i>me</i>.” But on the much more common occasion where I encounter blacks blocking the aisle, “excuse me” gets a very different response. Generally huffing and grumbling, sometimes refusal to grant passage, and on a couple of occasions I’ve been the target of racial slurs. <br /><br />A similar pattern occurs when it is just one person blocking the aisle along with their cart. What this has led to is the development of a habit of looking down an aisle before going down it. If I see the aisle is already blocked, I tend to skip it and return later. The irony is that, if someone were to observe that habit with race on their mind, it is my actions that would be called racist.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-21121077916236766292012-05-27T13:28:18.081-04:002012-05-27T13:28:18.081-04:00Anthony
I had heard that on the radio and I also ...Anthony<br /><br />I had heard that on the radio and I also heard that he had other incidents in school for fighting. This is not new nor is it tied to race. There are a lot of young kids that are larger and stringer than their peers that end up bullying people.<br /><br />The problem is not race but the culture of race. If the victim is white and the perpetrator is black then the reaction is to blame the victim for the supposed greivances of his race on the cultural collective of black people. Problem is that there is no entity of black people. There are only individuals.<br /><br />This translates into a notion that is reinforced in the minds of young black kids that they don't have to act the same way. If as an indidual they are caught with drugs it is because white cops don't look for white kids with durgs etc.<br /><br />Look at the assumptions you are making regarding this case. You act as if Zimmerman and Martin are equals. They are not. Martin is an older adult and MArtin is a young kid. Zimmerman in the parlance of the 19th century is his Elder and as a youth Martin should "show him respect". <br /><br />If I am an adult and I see a young kid out in the neighborhood past midnight I should follow the kid. I should ask him who he is, what he is doing there, if his parents know he is out. The kid should respect the fact that I am doing this for everyone's good and answer. Not attack people.<br /><br />We have replaced this ethic which worked for thousands of years in prodcuing law abiding youth with the idea that an Elder can be quesdtioned by a Youth because he has a lack of pigmentation in his skin. The the youth does not ahve to answer to that person, should distrust him and even assault him for questioning him.<br /><br />This has been ingrained in the culture of the "hood". O had an (now X) girlfriend whose X was black and although she was white her son was black. When I drove her to her old neighborhood she would lecture me that I was not to leave the car because "white" people that did not beleong would be assaulted.<br /><br />This mind set Anthony is the direct result of liberal affirmative action programs. Liberal despite all their talk of tolerance do mopre to truly segregate by race than anyone even 50's southern rednecks. Sure Bull Connor's generation had separate bathrooms and treated black people terribly but despite that the 50's southerner is much more capable of talking to a black person than a white liberal in Greenich village today.<br /><br />I audited a HUD housing project and was struck by the fact that the LAndlord told me an eldarly white woman went on subsistance and moved there only to be chased out by the black people there. This despite the fact that a ccleint who owned normal apartments had to hire a firm to handle the placement tenants to ensure that his apartments had a community that embraced allowign other ethnicities to live there.<br /><br />John Parks is just an example of what I am talking about and the "black culture" lie of the leftist, the culture of the Hood, the welfare culture, the culture of the poor, whatever name we give this set of memes to my mind has a clear role in the MArtin tragedy.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-3217223320216700502012-05-27T10:51:59.575-04:002012-05-27T10:51:59.575-04:00Anthony, Indi, tryanmax, et al., I've got noth...Anthony, Indi, tryanmax, et al., I've got nothing to add at the moment, but let me say well done to everyone for disagreeing without name calling. The internet needs more of that! :)AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-16309427361540782822012-05-27T10:07:35.558-04:002012-05-27T10:07:35.558-04:00Anthony, I've got to correct facts when I see ...Anthony, I've got to correct facts when I see errors. Zimmerman did not indicate on the 911 call that he thought Martin was armed. He said Martin had "something in his hands." <br /><br />Also, I've already pointed out that, if one pays attention to the ambient noise in the recording, it sounds as if Zimmerman understood the dispatcher's instruction to "let me know if this guy does anything else" to include following Martin if necessary. There is your rational for his decision to pursue. <br /><br />In any case, the assertion that Zimmerman was told not to follow Trayvon but did so anyway is a dismissal of the order of events. The only reason to believe Zimmerman continued pursuit after being told not to and responding, "okay," is because one wants to. It has no basis in fact.<br /><br />Furthermore, we know for a fact that Martin did more than walk down the street. That is another instance of rearranging events. Even if his walk in the rain was not suspicious according to reasonable standards, in the course of the phone call Martin stared down and approached a stranger and then took off running for no reason. Most people would agree that is suspicious and, even if Zimmerman’s 911 call was premature, these events indicate it was justified. And, of course, by the time he was shot Martin had become involved in a physical altercation. <br /><br />Finally, I find it interesting that you are so willing to theorize about what Zimmerman may have done in the seconds after the phone call ended, but you have provided no speculation as to what Martin was doing in the minute and a half after Zimmerman lost sight of him.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-1134106730935696642012-05-27T07:14:55.361-04:002012-05-27T07:14:55.361-04:00Individualist,
Also, there is a difference betwee...Individualist,<br /><br />Also, there is a difference between defending criminals and protesting the death of a guy who was guilty of nothing more than walking down the street (by Zimmerman's own account). <br /><br />He wasn't trying car doors (or for that matter, house windows and doors) to see if they were unlocked, he was simply walking home after having paid for a few items at a convenience store.<br /><br />But if you want to equate the protests about a guy killing a teen walking home to a defense of criminals such as say, Troy Davis, then I disagree. I'm not in the habit of defending criminals of any color. I think the criminal in this case was Zimmerman.<br /><br />-------<br /><br />http://intensedebate.com/people/Yngblkcons/14<br /><br />11 weeks ago @ Big Hollywood - Pro-Fracking Film Laps... · 1 reply · +8 points<br /><br />Sometimes the justice system makes mistakes (nods towards the Innocence Project) but there is no convincing evidence that Davis's conviction and execution was one of those mistakes. <br /><br />The world is a better place for Americans of all colors when thugs of any color are dead or behind bars. Ona related note, it should be kept in mind that the face of death for most black murder victims is black.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16124128949343301445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-55105551202114738422012-05-27T07:01:37.356-04:002012-05-27T07:01:37.356-04:00Individualist,
Contrary to your claim, the suspen...Individualist,<br /><br />Contrary to your claim, the suspension Martin was serving when Zimmerman killed him was for truancy, not fighting. Though in fairness, your opinion of Martin seems to be shaped more by John Parks than Martin, so perhaps that won't matter to you.<br /><br />I never said Zimmerman set out to harm Martin. Zimmerman was playing cop, not seeking to become a killer. The problem is Martin didn't know what game Zimmerman was playing.<br /><br />As for why Zimmerman didn't have the gun drawn, your guess is as good as mine. Overestimation of his physical abilities? Nuttiness? <br /><br />Given that Zimmerman indicated on the 911 call that he believed Martin was armed and his knowledge that Martin was aware of his presence his decision to pursue him simply wasn't A) rational or B) in keeping with neighborhood watch policy.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16124128949343301445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-33496055763478681722012-05-27T01:08:25.807-04:002012-05-27T01:08:25.807-04:00Anthony
Hate to tell you this but MArtin was a th...Anthony<br /><br />Hate to tell you this but MArtin was a thug. Starting fights and hurting people did not begin with Zimmerman. He was in trouble at school for this more than once and the reason he was not in school at the time was that he was on a 10 day suspension for fighting and beating people up.<br /><br />In Daytona when I went to school there were race riots because a principal called the cops and this kid got arrested. He beat this kid half to death over lunch money in the bathroom and the assistant principal wanted to teach him a lesson. He was a talented football player and had a scholarship to FSU. Although he only spent a few hours in jail the minisiters and race baiters proclaimed it weeks and started cries of outrage about the school being racist. They proclaimed the French club as discriminatory yet the French teacher who was the advisor to the club was black and so was the student elected president. The whole thing was a circus and ended with two administrators sent to different schools.<br /><br />The kid was John Parks and he was kicked out of the local Catholic High School were he was on scholarship for beating people up. He had a problem, he thought because he was black and and a good football plaayer that he could hurt anyone he wanted. Well at the high school he got away with this and went to FSU.<br /><br />As I undertstand it he continued his antics there and lost his scholarship. I heard a rumor he ended up getting shot trying to rob a convenience store about four years after but I am not sure.<br /><br />Point is this. Instead of looking for a scape goat or an opportunity to stick it to whitey and point fingers and gain publicity. Had those black ministers instead focused their efforts on trying to straighten this kid out maybe later on he would not have thrown it away.<br /><br />For all the whining Martin's parents state if he was suspended from school why was he not grounded. The fact of the matter is that the amount of melanin in one's skin has nothing to do with this. Period! Heck Zimmerman is half black anyways. This is about Martin's obvious violent character and his parents and the community not really (I believe) trying to correct it. I could be wrong but I see a lot of similarities between Parks back then some 20 years or so ago and Martin now. Balck people want to band together and support a black culture. When they do this they ignore and make excuses for this behavior in order to not have it seem that black kids are the stereotype that racist clansman promoted in the 40's.<br /><br />Problem is that when strong young black kids engage in this it actually works to justify acting this way. It creates an individual that justifies violence and hides umder then veneer that white people are responsible for it. But acting in this violent manner is one way to get yourself shot in the middle of the night. <br /><br />Playing into this race baiting stereotype makes these situations worse and the only affect on the "Black" community is to lead more unfortunate young men down this path to ruin.<br /><br />I beleive Heinlien in Star Ship Troopers to be right about one thing. Morality is ultimately based on self interest. The Moral way to act is not just being "good" but all other things being equal will help one to prosper financially and socialy in life. Refuse to follow it and you lead yourself to potnetial loss. When society tries to convince people that morality is different for people based on skin color, ethnicity or percerved injustice to the majority of a group and that immoral actions are in fact moral for these people then what happens is you convince people to start acting in ways that will cause them potential loss io the future. Character is not about skin pigmentation, good or bad. Sorry but this is how I see this.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-19217654081749449902012-05-27T00:46:14.672-04:002012-05-27T00:46:14.672-04:00Anthony
Do you beleive it prudent for an unarmed ...Anthony<br /><br />Do you beleive it prudent for an unarmed man to attack an armed one. IF Martin new that Zimmerman was armed and was on top of him with the advantage of beating him to unconsciousness then why did he no take the gun. <br /><br />The simple answer is that Martin did not know the gun was there. If Zimmerman wanted to harm MArtin why would he not initially use his gun. If he wanted to scare Martin why not pull it from a distance. It is more likely Martin stared an altercation and Zimmerman went for the gun when he felt his life threatened.<br /><br />The problem with you reasoning is it makes no sence whatsoever. IF I have a gun and want to hurt someone why would I start a fist fight.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-377821092772972712012-05-26T18:40:16.685-04:002012-05-26T18:40:16.685-04:00Individualist,
If an unarmed man alone in the nig...Individualist,<br /><br />If an unarmed man alone in the night fights an armed criminal and knocks the criminal down, do you honestly believe that the prudent move is for the guy to then back away and hope the criminal won't use his weapon?<br /><br />Sure, Zimmerman was a guy playing cop, not a criminal and probably wouldn't have shot Martin after being knocked down, but Martin had no way of knowing what Zimmerman's intentions were.<br /><br />Trayvon's mistake was in not beating Zimmerman to the point of unconciousness or death. What happened to him was the same thing that would happen to a guy that failed to subdue a mugger. If he had had a gun... <br /><br />But unfortunately for Martin and fortunately for Zimmerman he was merely an unarmed guy carrying merely the candy and tea he had just bought.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16124128949343301445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-72652579568549433842012-05-26T14:51:28.224-04:002012-05-26T14:51:28.224-04:00Well, that just sucks.Well, that just sucks.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-51472825881735454322012-05-26T14:34:49.341-04:002012-05-26T14:34:49.341-04:00tryanmax, That's generally true, though not al...tryanmax, That's generally true, though not always. In my experience, it takes a lot before they will arrest a woman. Excluding drug crimes or prostitution stings, that usually means there needs to be a bleeding injury or evidence of abuse against a child.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-11581118857587626332012-05-26T14:12:43.834-04:002012-05-26T14:12:43.834-04:00Another thing I've run up against--and I don&#...Another thing I've run up against--and I don't know how common this is--but around here there is no point in calling in a dom-disturbance if you are a man unless you want yourself arrested. A friend of mine called 911 when his wife was throwing dishes. When the cops arrived, he was still on the phone and the wife was still throwing things, but they took him away and left her with the children. And I know that to be far from isolated.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-43195080594045397932012-05-26T13:26:52.502-04:002012-05-26T13:26:52.502-04:00tryanmax, I've seen judges go both ways. I kn...tryanmax, I've seen judges go both ways. I knew a judge who kept everyone in jail 24 hours after a domestic disturbance because he once let a guy out who went home and killed his wife. I knew other judges who let people go home right away on the assumption that the ride in the cop car gave everyone a chance to cool down. I know prosecutors who charge everyone they can with domestic, even when both husband wife insist nothing happened, and I know others who are much more careful about only charging people with a history or strong evidence of violence leading to the arrest.<br /><br />So much of it is a crap shoot. And I've learned that just being arrested is a pretty meaningless distinction. Real criminals and bad guys get arrested a LOT, not just once or twice in 20 years.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.com