tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post4254461451763550591..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: Leftists In ParadiseAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-90463945824890345812012-04-16T14:28:02.569-04:002012-04-16T14:28:02.569-04:00Bev: An actual example of "speaking truth to...Bev: An actual example of "speaking truth to power." LOL<br /><br />It really was different back when I was an undergrad. Lots of liberals and Marxists, but they actually showed admiration for students who could put up a good contra-argument. I never got graded down for disagreeing with a professor (which I did often, just for practice).LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-89258165012256199832012-04-16T13:51:36.555-04:002012-04-16T13:51:36.555-04:00WriterX: You're welcome. I miss your regular...WriterX: You're welcome. I miss your regular comments, but I know you've been really busy. You and Bev have me thinking about how much fun it would be to go back just to show the youngsters what it's like to look a professor in the face and tell him "you're just wrong, wrong, wrong." We have a luxury those poor undergrads don't have.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-48996485222596841812012-04-16T13:47:07.787-04:002012-04-16T13:47:07.787-04:00Bev: I truly understand what you're saying. ...Bev: I truly understand what you're saying. I don't really "get" online colleges. They can provide a wealth of information, but I don't see how they can provide the actual experience of dealing with large numbers of strangers, getting into face-to-face with people who may or may not agree with you, and the whole "growing up" experience that college used to provide (centuries ago, that was the basic purpose of a four-year undergraduate program). Post-graduate degrees online make a little more sense to me, but not much.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-13657515526475313842012-04-16T13:01:48.124-04:002012-04-16T13:01:48.124-04:00T-Rav: And that's the least he deserves. I r...T-Rav: And that's the least he deserves. I really didn't know about Wilson's deeply-ingrained racism until I got to college. As with Planned Parenthood, the left has done some fancy covering up, but in both cases the truth is finally beginning to come out to the general public who previously only got the sanitized version of their stories.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-23412953264955275832012-04-16T12:54:13.633-04:002012-04-16T12:54:13.633-04:00I was in the "Arts", so Marxist rhetoric...I was in the "Arts", so Marxist rhetoric was kind of a given. My one real experience with a hard core Marxist was in a class outside my major. I don't even remember what the class was, but I just remember the Instructor was so angry that he paid more in taxes than Nelson Rockefeller. (sound familiar?) I challenged him by asking how that was even possible! He did not say he paid a higher percentage in taxes. He said he paid MORE in taxes. He did not like that and he said something along the lines of "Oh, you rich kids are all the same". Huh?? Being a rich kid was news to me. Honestly, I thought he was challenging us to think about what he'd said and find out the facts, but I was wrong.<br /><br />But anyway, that evening one of the newspapers I read just happened to publish exactly how many tens of millions Rockefeller actually paid. I took the article in and asked this Instructor how much he paid in income taxes that year? "Why do you ask, young rich student?", he inquired. I said that the article I had in my hand said that Rockefeller pays millions, so you must be rich, rich, rich, to pay more than Rockefeller! It was fun watching his face turn beet red and the steam come out of his ears...BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-81611185280826852902012-04-16T12:34:21.735-04:002012-04-16T12:34:21.735-04:00Thanks, LawHawk! I'm with Bev: What I wouldn&#...Thanks, LawHawk! I'm with Bev: What I wouldn't give to go back and let them know what I really think.Writer Xnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-49854016768880045482012-04-16T12:25:17.305-04:002012-04-16T12:25:17.305-04:00What I wouldn't give to be able to go back to ...What I wouldn't give to be able to go back to college right now. There is an even bigger danger with the growing number of people earning college degrees online. They don't really even get the opportunity to challenge the prevailing ideology.<br /><br />I have been pondering getting an additional degree, just so that I can really see what is going on. You can't fool a middle-aged former feminist...BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-25834771540236132342012-04-16T12:05:28.170-04:002012-04-16T12:05:28.170-04:00Ha! Reminds me of a couple professors of mine. Poo...Ha! Reminds me of a couple professors of mine. Poor Woodrow Wilson. If only he didn't deserve such an epithet.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-35772205302833437082012-04-16T11:33:12.405-04:002012-04-16T11:33:12.405-04:00Stan: I remember some time back one of my contemp...Stan: I remember some time back one of my contemporary liberals, by then a standup comedian, remembered the promise of the 60s--to change the world. His comment was "we changed the world all right--we really screwed it up."LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-62539978670895122212012-04-16T11:28:10.546-04:002012-04-16T11:28:10.546-04:00WriterX: It had done so several times since 1999....WriterX: It had done so several times since 1999. This report as much of an update as an original study. And even insiders at the NSA were amazed to find how much farther to the left the faculties had gone in just thirteen years. They had known for a long time that Berkeley leaned seriously left, but this study added emphasis by pointing out that "academic freedom" (a big issue when I was a student there) had become "academic rigidity," and there is no longer any pretense that there might be legitimate opposing points of view. That subtitle to the history course I mentioned in the article is a perfect example. That course is not for upper division students. It's a basic "survey of American history" course for freshmen.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-77189107742624411992012-04-16T11:05:22.739-04:002012-04-16T11:05:22.739-04:00This like so many things that were promised when I...This like so many things that were promised when I was a kid, are coming fruition. I remember telling my dad, “one day man, we’ll be in charge,” his eyes rolling as he quipped, “I count the days.” Well here we are, almost every lever of power is this country has a brain dead ‘60s radical or their spawn, at the helm, God help us. You can bet that OWS’s ranks are filled with angry Poli-Sci students, who have zero marketable skills in the real world, but they do have incredible debt, and want you and I to pick it up. <br /><br />There is some good news my kids 21-25, and a dozen other nieces and nephews, either in college or recently graduated, life is wringing the liberal lunacy from their systems, it’s funny how that happens. Several even voted for Barry, the shame, are now his vehement opposition. <br /><br />Oh, the university system is the perfect hangout for Marxist ne’er-do-wells. I believe they should work for nothing, it’s only fair.StanHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-19610687114243680492012-04-16T11:02:34.503-04:002012-04-16T11:02:34.503-04:00T-Rav: I was aware of the original thesis on Teac...T-Rav: I was aware of the original thesis on <i>Teaching As A Subversive Activity</i>. It had just been published the year I started my master's program. As I see from the article you linked to, it was a San Francisco State professor who was giving the lecture at Berkeley on the redux.<br /><br />Are you ready for a little irony? After four years of socialist rhetoric at Cal-Berkeley, I wanted to try something different. So I picked San Francisco State, which had an entirely different approach to history (my major). My faculty adviser was Prof. Arthur Mejia, Jr. He was also the vice-chairman of the history department at the time. I was first endeared to him when during a lecture on WW I and its aftermath, he referred to Woodrow Wilson as the "deaf, dumb and blind Don Quixote of the Twentieth Century." I knew I had found a home. Can you imagine a professor saying something like that today--let alone at either Berkeley or San Francisco State?<br /><br />We remained in contact off and on until his death in 2006. He was disappointed that I chose to go to law school instead of becoming a history instructor. Even though I was still in my radical phase at SF State, Prof. Mejia seemed to recognize a future conservative in the making.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-84043606097874579942012-04-16T10:47:24.373-04:002012-04-16T10:47:24.373-04:00Curious. What took the NSA so long to voice this c...Curious. What took the NSA so long to voice this criticism?Writer Xnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-75512402226454853522012-04-16T10:26:55.069-04:002012-04-16T10:26:55.069-04:00Why am I not surprised? Groan.
On a related note,...Why am I not surprised? Groan.<br /><br />On a related note, I came upon this story from the weekend, also involving California academia. Also not surprising, but kind of disturbing in how open they're being about their agenda. <a href="http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2012/04/12/teaching-as-a-subversive-activity-the-theory-of-political-indoctrination/" rel="nofollow">LINK</a>T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-22417638623361744802012-04-16T10:10:17.456-04:002012-04-16T10:10:17.456-04:00Joel: Berkeley was already pretty far to the left...Joel: Berkeley was already pretty far to the left when I was there. But it wasn't yet Stalinist in its rigidity. You could actually have an open discussion, and professors rarely held your political views against you. If you could write a good paper, you got a good grade, even if what you said didn't tow the leftist line. Not true in large part today.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-70226722088538279152012-04-16T10:07:42.553-04:002012-04-16T10:07:42.553-04:00Tennessee: I think what bothers me most is that t...Tennessee: I think what bothers me most is that there is simply no let-up. The universities have long tended to lean to the left, but there used to be open debate, and occasional rightward movements. Now, there simply is no effective conservative voice, and students are chided, harassed, ridiculed and bullied into towing the prevailing leftist line, or else.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-21241201286373586542012-04-16T09:14:42.421-04:002012-04-16T09:14:42.421-04:00It was pretty bad when I was going to college. It ...It was pretty bad when I was going to college. It is worse now.Joel Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-20383718510950472902012-04-16T09:04:06.259-04:002012-04-16T09:04:06.259-04:00this is not something we didn't know, Hawk--Bu...this is not something we didn't know, Hawk--But never has it been spelled out so plainly. Oh, I suspect the California system is the most obvious and worst offender. As you say, though this could include the Ivy League and probably 90% of colleges. This is one of the toughest obstacles we have to crack, because it does tend to mold the minds of kids.Tennessee Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.com