tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post4641011281598375301..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: The Senate: A Republican Victory In Defeat?AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-51864278508794782632010-11-08T10:59:08.499-05:002010-11-08T10:59:08.499-05:00Thanks Ed.Thanks Ed.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-69332930486082611502010-11-07T16:04:53.735-05:002010-11-07T16:04:53.735-05:00Great thinking. This makes me much happier about n...Great thinking. This makes me much happier about not winning the Senate.Ednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-40816866864881503582010-11-04T22:41:13.507-04:002010-11-04T22:41:13.507-04:00Absolutely Patti -- one brain... and libby crime f...Absolutely Patti -- one brain... and libby crime fighter capes!AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-63978870775756286442010-11-04T22:35:41.662-04:002010-11-04T22:35:41.662-04:00brother, we have had this conversation already and...brother, we have had this conversation already and you know i agree. one big brain strikes again!pattihttp://www.notawonk.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-90081331050310789072010-11-04T22:14:12.627-04:002010-11-04T22:14:12.627-04:00Joel, Good point. I would hate to see our side sq...Joel, Good point. I would hate to see our side squander the good will they have with a pointless impeachment effort that can't succeed and makes us look like petty tyrants. Save impeachment for really significant crimes, and use the smaller stuff as a political club.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-60647411188637165252010-11-04T22:10:37.107-04:002010-11-04T22:10:37.107-04:00Joel, I am a firm believer in getting out the vote...Joel, I am a firm believer in getting out the vote. The primaries about intra-party struggles, but once you have the candidate it is your obligation as a part person to support them. Otherwise, what's the point in having a party at all?<br /><br />And I agree about poll watchers. It's time that we put an end to election fraud in this country... then we'll see how the Democrats do.<br /><br />I also agree about the Tea Party v. the Establishment: change or be replaced.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-70119745884988512802010-11-04T22:09:10.155-04:002010-11-04T22:09:10.155-04:00Andrew,
Also, one more reason that it is good the...Andrew,<br /><br />Also, one more reason that it is good the Republicans aren't a Majority in the Senate. Impeachment. <br /><br />Impeachment starts in the House, but gets tried in the Senate. The Democrat Senators are not going to impeach Obama no matter how much he deserves it. For impeachment to really work, it must have almost all if not all the Senators on board. Impeachment talk will just be that. Talk.Joel Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-34647802535615539432010-11-04T21:51:21.615-04:002010-11-04T21:51:21.615-04:00Andrew,
Now it is doubly important that the Repub...Andrew,<br /><br />Now it is doubly important that the Republicans in the House don't succumb to the wiles of Washington, DC. <br /><br />Also, it is imperative that we organize poll watchers. The possibility that elections are being stolen outright is very real. <br /><br />The other part is GOTV efforts. Whether you like your particular candidate or not, is not a reason to not GOTV.<br /><br />RNC, NRCC and NRSC must change to the Tea Party realities or they risk oblivion.Joel Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-65730324627121916452010-11-04T21:20:51.914-04:002010-11-04T21:20:51.914-04:00Joel, That makes me very, very happy! She is poiso...Joel, That makes me very, very happy! She is poison, so let's keep her in charge of the Democrats! :-)AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-50234161542682392392010-11-04T20:57:21.689-04:002010-11-04T20:57:21.689-04:00Andrew,
I just heard that Pelosi is going to try ...Andrew,<br /><br />I just heard that Pelosi is going to try for the minority leader position in the Democrat house. It looks like she isn't going away.Joel Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-32254891354957429222010-11-04T20:55:56.493-04:002010-11-04T20:55:56.493-04:00Okay, fair point. Memo to anyone who's reading...Okay, fair point. Memo to anyone who's reading: That was my personal list--and in McCaskill's case I do mean PERSONAL--and no one else's.T_Ravnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-82830330699441274792010-11-04T20:49:34.340-04:002010-11-04T20:49:34.340-04:00T_Rav, Thanks! And I agree completely. I think w...T_Rav, Thanks! And I agree completely. I think we should have gotten a few more seats and it disappoints me that we didn't. It also disturbs me a bit because I'm wondering what it's going to take to win some of these states? Seriously, if this wasn't the right environment to toss out the Democrats, what will be?<br /><br />I also am very pleased with what I'm seeing from the leadership so far. They <i>SEEM</i> to have gotten it. Sadly, I've been burned so many times before by the Republicans that I will withhold my trust until I see them follow through, but I am pleased with much of what I've heard coming out of them.<br /><br />In terms of the people you list, I'm hoping some of the last few RINOs decide to retire now that politics has become less "gentlemanly."AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-38703013697056807832010-11-04T20:44:51.819-04:002010-11-04T20:44:51.819-04:00T-Rav, We try to avoid endorsing to un-endorsing p...T-Rav, We try to avoid endorsing to un-endorsing people because we don't want anyone to feel that we might shade the truth to help one candidate or another, but I can tell you that I have little interest in the people on your list.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-5870255002183643922010-11-04T20:43:07.054-04:002010-11-04T20:43:07.054-04:00Andrew, I think you make a solid point, even thoug...Andrew, I think you make a solid point, even though it still bothers me that several seats which should have gone our way didn't (I'm looking at you, CA, CO, and WV). <br /><br />As I see it, this means two things: one, the House Republicans need to get on the ball with a conservative agenda, passing the right legislation and putting the right people in the most important positions. Despite the cynicism I share with you about the firmness of certain GOP leaders (cough-cough, Eric Cantor, cough-cough), so far they seem to be hitting on all cylinders, rhetoric-wise. We'll see if it holds up.<br /><br />Two: We need to start preparing the field for 2012 now. Find primary challengers to some of the GOP Senate (Corker, Lugar, maybe Hatch) and start preparing solid opponents to the Dems in red or purple states--McCaskill in my MO (arrghhh!!!), Webb in VA, Nelson in NE, and others.T_Ravnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-13037257916527156182010-11-04T20:38:01.974-04:002010-11-04T20:38:01.974-04:00Lawhawk and T_Rav, I honestly don't know enoug...Lawhawk and T_Rav, I honestly don't know enough yet about Rubio to know what kind of president he would make. Frankly, I'm just happy that the list of possible candidates keeps growing. Compare that to what we were looking at two years ago and you see a huge difference -- younger, smarter, more conservative, with better experience. That's what makes America so great.... it renews itself.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-4539536321756104702010-11-04T20:35:48.142-04:002010-11-04T20:35:48.142-04:00Stan, I love the image of Obama hiding under his d...Stan, I love the image of Obama hiding under his desk sucking his thumb! LOL!<br /><br />And I totally agree that he's going to get nastier and nastier as the pressure builds. We've already seen hints of that over and over in his public appearances, his speeches.... the greater the pressure on him, the angrier he gets.<br /><br />I think, as you say, that there are two different aspects to this election. One the one hand, we have the Senate, where a simple majority is not a governing majority, so it's better (in this case) to not have the responsibility for governing.<br /><br />On the other hand, this year was the beginning of something huge! This election cycle destroyed liberals and establishment types every where in the country, at every level, except in the bluest of blue corners. And you can still feel the tension bubbling everywhere (and the Democrats are only making it worse), so look for that tension to erupt into a geyser in 2012, that gives us the Senate, the White House, and even more of everything we just got. That could be one of those historic moments where the country permanently changes direction.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-23244701853072081222010-11-04T20:35:07.328-04:002010-11-04T20:35:07.328-04:00LawHawk, a Jindal/Rubio ticket would be awesome, a...LawHawk, a Jindal/Rubio ticket would be awesome, although I would personally prefer to see Rubio spend a bit more time in the Senate and get seasoned on the national level first. But these are desperate times, and...well, you can take it from there. <br /><br />By the way, here's my list of people I do NOT want to see on the ticket (at least at the top) in '12: Romney, Huckabee, anyone else who was a serious contender in '08, and Pawlenty. I'm probably leaving a couple off but I'll fill them in later. And before you ask, I'm ambivalent about Palin.T_Ravnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-16174728808548500552010-11-04T20:30:20.124-04:002010-11-04T20:30:20.124-04:00I like it Lawhawk! We really do have some great up...I like it Lawhawk! We really do have some great up-and-comers, I’m excited. <br /><br />Along with Rubio, we will all point and laugh at the B-B-B-Biden! .StanHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-10389215164049243572010-11-04T20:15:00.292-04:002010-11-04T20:15:00.292-04:00Stan: In keeping with my comments yesterday about...Stan: In keeping with my comments yesterday about not looking like the old white man's party or aging policy wonks, how's this for a ticket: Jindal/Rubio. Two brilliant, young, experienced, and capable statesmen and debaters. Now tell us which party doesn't welcome minorities. Of course it's just a dream right now, and so much remains to be seen over the course of the next year. But stranger things have happened. Jindal would wipe the policy debate floor with Obama, and the only thing that could cost Rubio a debate with Biden is if Rubio got so tickled by Biden's stupidity that he couldn't stop laughing long enough to make a point.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-23948954535998019832010-11-04T20:06:06.499-04:002010-11-04T20:06:06.499-04:00Machiavelli would be pleased with your analysis An...Machiavelli would be pleased with your analysis Andrew. Indeed sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good. When I realized that the republicans were not going to take the senate that occurred to me as well. 51 senators is a political majority not a ruling majority of 60 plus. And now Barry can’t run against the do nothing congress like Truman in ’48 or Clinton ’96. <br /><br />And though Barry may not realize, or care, but the earth moved politically on Tuesday. Eighteen state legislatures flipped from democrat to Republican, we have thirty governors (maybe thirty-one CT), sixty-five new congressmen (average 20), six flipped D to R senators(average for an off year election 3.5), umpteen liberal judges gone, that’s just the tip of the iceberg. You mix that in with VA, NJ, Mass and slowly but surely this country is swinging back hard right (my sympathies to Lawhawk and Bev). <br /><br />I too agree with the sentiments upthread. As Barry’s world begins to shrink, I look for that seething temper to reveal itself. At first overtly and publically. However as he comes to understand nobody gives a shit, I picture him under “The Resolution Desk” sucking his thumb, clutching his bankey. <br /><br />We must find a strong conservative flag bearer for 2012, who will be our Reagan.StanHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-43170445700517606102010-11-04T20:04:27.894-04:002010-11-04T20:04:27.894-04:00Lawhawk, Excellent addition! I agree completely w...Lawhawk, Excellent addition! I agree completely with that. Clinton needs others to love him, Obama expects other to love him. And therein, strangely, lies the reason for Clinton's success as a politician and Obama's failure.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-11632688718351081422010-11-04T19:54:03.197-04:002010-11-04T19:54:03.197-04:00Ben and Andrew: I only see one flaw in your analy...Ben and Andrew: I only see one flaw in your analyses. Clinton and Obama are both narcissistic. But Clinton can bend because he needs to be loved, and will do anything to gain that love, including compromising everything he says he stands for if necessary. Obama is of the more malignant type. He has no need for others to love him because he is so much in love with himself that he assumes others will love him just as much once they see how beautiful he really is. The former can bend, the latter cannot. <br /><br />Clinton's narcissism is other-fueled. He is beautiful because people love him. Obama's is inner-fueled. He is beautiful, and if he waits long enough and adheres to his inner beauty, all others will eventually see it.<br /><br />And now you know the danger of having been married to a psychologist.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-52176880108471750832010-11-04T19:35:53.948-04:002010-11-04T19:35:53.948-04:00USS Benn, No problem on the long comments. Thanks...USS Benn, No problem on the long comments. Thanks for commenting and thanks for visiting!<br /><br />On your points....<br /><br />I agree with your diagnosis of Obama and of Clinton. I think Obama was one of those kids who no one said "no" to... ever. I think all the way through law school, people passed him along without a hint of criticism, and it's made him narcissistic.<br /><br />And I don't think he has any true ideological underpinnings, I think he sees the world in very simplistic terms -- everyone I don't like is rich and bad and oppressive, and they should be oppressed in retaliation. That fits his behavior in all sorts of ways, everything from his attacking our allies in foreign policy to his use of the word "enemies" about the American public.... which really pisses me off.<br /><br />And the thing about narcissists is that they think they are right and the rest of the world is wrong, so they are incapable of change. And since he's surrounded himself by people who play into his narcissism, nothing will change.<br /><br />I also think you're absolutely right that he will get increasingly angry -- we've seen that already whenever he's encountered resistance. He will blame others for everything and he will start to use sharper and nastier rhetoric and I fully expect to see him blow up at some point.<br /><br />And you're right that the next step will be to simply try to bypass Congress -- he's tried that a lot already and I expect he will try it a lot more now. We need to watch the country's back for the next two years, and hope the American people see and remember what we all see at the moment.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-79350941768172123822010-11-04T18:21:54.040-04:002010-11-04T18:21:54.040-04:00Pitts, That's actually something several of us...Pitts, That's actually something several of us talked about after the election. While it stunk to have Obama, it was probably a good thing because McCain would have signed everything Obama signed and then our party would be on the hook for all of that!<br /><br />That would have been the end of the Republican party for sure.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-65398548696733924512010-11-04T18:20:53.033-04:002010-11-04T18:20:53.033-04:00Um...sorry about the long comment. I reckon I just...Um...sorry about the long comment. I reckon I just got carried away.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.com