tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post6436794679268469254..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: Not All Speech Should Be ProtectedAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger95125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-22650346430551688012012-06-27T11:59:10.570-04:002012-06-27T11:59:10.570-04:00Anonynous said: "Now THAT is white supremaci...Anonynous said: "Now THAT is white supremacist hate speech, and I don't recognize your right to say it."<br /><br />I am really uncertain as to what your complaint is however I will address the nature of your comment.<br /><br />Assuming the rhetoric is not calling for violence exactly what are you going to do to people that engage in Hate Speech you don't approve. Are you going to jail them, kill them.<br /><br />What you are in a sense saying is I don't just disagree with your thoughts I don't agree with your right to have them. You are also saying that you feel either your ability to persuade people is extremely limited or your confidence in the weight of your own arguments so low that you have to resort to banning the person with those thoughts since you will not try to dissuade them through argument.<br /><br />I find th elast part of your meme ironic. In the 1930's the Nazi's felt that Aryan civilization (the Germanic Norse tradition) was oppressed by the Catholic church and Jewish Bankers. They banned together initially to correct perceived injustices to there people or group. Oddly enough they had the same rhetoric about 'taking" over from the other "races" and empowering themselves and fixing "slights" that you advocate.<br /><br />So I ask you this question, why should I consider your argument or the group you advocate any better than the Nazi's, the communists or any other group of collectivist socialists that use group identity as a means to power.<br /><br />I beleive in Individualism and I think it a shame tha you do not.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-31451437734148975932012-06-27T00:18:19.820-04:002012-06-27T00:18:19.820-04:00T-Rav, I'm not worried. But it is strange to ...T-Rav, I'm not worried. But it is strange to see ash falling on your car.<br /><br />The whole day has had a "nuclear winter" feel too it too. Seeing the massive columns of white/orange smoke blocking out the horizon to the North while the other half of the sky was bright blue, completely clear, and sunny (100 fricken degrees today!), really made it feel like someone had nuked part of the town. It's been very surreal and feels like something out of science fiction.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-69365114804292753492012-06-27T00:11:20.582-04:002012-06-27T00:11:20.582-04:00Oh dear. I am officially getting worried about you...Oh dear. I am officially getting worried about you. You should probably get a bucket brigade or something organized, just to be on the safe side.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-1408955633707625922012-06-26T23:44:40.838-04:002012-06-26T23:44:40.838-04:00Yeah. It was fun and a very nice place. People h...Yeah. It was fun and a very nice place. People held weddings out there. My dad had a birthday party out there too.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-7657791155704319782012-06-26T23:42:43.329-04:002012-06-26T23:42:43.329-04:00That sucks, about the ranch.That sucks, about the ranch.Jennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-58872432220649369182012-06-26T23:25:40.288-04:002012-06-26T23:25:40.288-04:00This is really wild. I was out back looking and t...This is really wild. I was out back looking and there are these ridges all over town because the city is built on hills. As you get to the mountains, you see this wall of orange light, like someone has lined the ridge with a 1,000 street lights. This is truly surreal.<br /><br />Sadly, my favorite tourist attract has burned to the ground? The Flying W Ranch. That's been here since the 1960s and we go back every couple years.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-54768779738357849832012-06-26T23:09:26.053-04:002012-06-26T23:09:26.053-04:00If it got here, then I would probably be moving to...If it got here, then I would probably be moving to tryanmax's house in Nebraska! ;)<br /><br />Actually, I have no idea. They have been evacuating parts of town and they've set up shelters and asked people to stay with friends, but if it got all the way over here, then there wouldn't be much of a town left.<br /><br />I think the first place they evacuated was Manitou, which is actually a separate town, but you wouldn't know it. Then they evacuated Old Colorado City, which is between the Springs and Manitou. But I think they've left all of those people go home again.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-47824632159427554372012-06-26T23:00:00.030-04:002012-06-26T23:00:00.030-04:00Andrew, Is there anything you can do if it does ma...Andrew, Is there anything you can do if it does make as far as where you live?<br /><br />I didn't realize that it had spread as far as it did. I heard about another city/town that I know of which has been affected, because of someone I know whose family lives there. Otherwise, I haven't been paying much attention--don't watch, or read the news usually.Jennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-63576290238435949362012-06-26T22:47:16.969-04:002012-06-26T22:47:16.969-04:00Jen, I doubt it very, very much. So far the fire ...Jen, I doubt it very, very much. So far the fire is moving along the mountains.... where people shouldn't have built houses. <br /><br />Right now, the fire is about 15 miles away, and half the city is between it and me. If it gets here, then this would be a Katrina size disaster.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-26138902651260477072012-06-26T22:42:22.130-04:002012-06-26T22:42:22.130-04:00Andrew, Is this going to affect you? How far away ...Andrew, Is this going to affect you? How far away is it?Jennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-50018228703992666422012-06-26T21:06:59.742-04:002012-06-26T21:06:59.742-04:00This is wild. Right now the air smells like when ...This is wild. Right now the air smells like when you stick your head inside a fireplace -- acidic, burning, charred wood. And there is ash falling on my car.<br /><br />They just evacuated the part of town near the Air Force Academy too.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-28999004515623192422012-06-26T20:56:59.996-04:002012-06-26T20:56:59.996-04:00Jen, I'm all for blaming Algore! He invented t...Jen, I'm all for blaming Algore! He invented the internet, he must have caused all of these problems! :)AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-6432707879847538192012-06-26T20:54:55.206-04:002012-06-26T20:54:55.206-04:00Andrew, I get your drift. Hey, can we blame Algore...Andrew, I get your drift. Hey, can we blame Algore? He claims to be the creator of the internet, so the way I see it, it's his fault. LOL!Jennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-78298540965562061772012-06-26T20:41:23.497-04:002012-06-26T20:41:23.497-04:00Jen, There is a huge difference between someone sa...Jen, There is a huge difference between someone saying, "I could kill that stupid dog!" and going online and saying, "Somebody needs to kill President ____." The first is obviously just an expression of frustration. The second crosses that line where the thought itself is much more inappropriate.<br /><br />And then saying it online, makes it worse because you know that you are broadcasting this to people who may take your desire seriously. It's the difference between telling a friend who knows that you are just venting and announcing to a crowd where you have no idea who might be listening.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-82355304262379091432012-06-26T20:32:33.018-04:002012-06-26T20:32:33.018-04:00The boot was meant to be taken literally. I missed...The boot was meant to be taken literally. I missed getting most of them, but managed to kick loose a few feathers. Stupid birds.Jennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-33272510870187192452012-06-26T20:30:23.793-04:002012-06-26T20:30:23.793-04:00Andrew, you already know that we usually mean a lo...Andrew, you already know that we usually mean a lot of things to be taken metaphorically, or figuratively, but the left tends to take everything literally.<br /><br />Sometimes my opinions are just that--my opinions. I could say I want to kill something because it got into, let's say, my garden for example. It doesn't mean I will really kill whatever it is, I want it to stay out (already had this happen a few days ago). I'll just put a boot in it's a$$ instead.Jennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-89259843247978991252012-06-26T20:27:31.238-04:002012-06-26T20:27:31.238-04:00Jen, My delivery system of choice is Coca-Cola. I...Jen, My delivery system of choice is Coca-Cola. I could drink that all day until I exploded if I wasn't careful. :(AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-73298744704893241692012-06-26T20:22:24.343-04:002012-06-26T20:22:24.343-04:00Andrew, caffeine--my drug of choice, but only in t...Andrew, caffeine--my drug of choice, but only in the forms of chocolate, coffee, or occasionally tea. Is there anything else I forgot? I'm not much on the other stuff, although I liked to drink Dr. Pepper when I was younger.Jennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-49046148945229562292012-06-26T20:13:51.806-04:002012-06-26T20:13:51.806-04:00Jen, That's very true, just because we can do ...Jen, That's very true, just because we can do a thing doesn't mean we should.<br /><br />But for me the line is actually fairly simple. You can have whatever opinions you want, but you also can't whine that people hold those against you. BUT you can't cross that line from having an opinion to advocating people act on your opinion.<br /><br />I love caffeine. :)AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-89836998696992940392012-06-26T20:10:16.887-04:002012-06-26T20:10:16.887-04:00Andrew, yeah, yeah, I know, that's why I put i...Andrew, yeah, yeah, I know, that's why I put in the part about the world ending. I agree about the civility. <br /><br />My dad likes to bring up the part about yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. He agrees with some sort of censorship. I told him no, we just need to use <i>discretion</i> in what we say. Just because we <i>can</i> say something, doesn't mean that we <i>should</i>.<br /><br />FYI--java junkie here, caffeine headaches SUCK. That's when you <i>don't</i> want to mess with me. Pain can make people do some crazy things.Jennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-81950847045305313752012-06-26T19:34:38.505-04:002012-06-26T19:34:38.505-04:00Jen, I don't think it will ever end because th...Jen, I don't think it will ever end because that's how humans are. But we can at least get some civility back with the right mix of laws.<br /><br />As for that being hate speech, LOL! Hardly. Check out some of the tweets aimed at Palin and you'll see hate speech!AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-71616637878672752312012-06-26T19:12:22.880-04:002012-06-26T19:12:22.880-04:00When is all this insanity going to end (probably w...When is all this insanity going to end (probably when the world does)?<br /><br />I regulate my own speech, thank you, gov't. I <i>could</i> use so-called <i>hate</i> speech (like saying I want to kill someone), but I would have no intention on acting it out. It's just one way for me to release some tension.<br /><br />What I don't like is intimidation, because that just pi$$es me off, and then I'm ready to fire one back. I was taught not to 'throw' the first punch, but was supposed to finish it.<br /><br />How's that for <b>hate</b> speech?Jennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-66221153397122138632012-06-26T18:43:24.694-04:002012-06-26T18:43:24.694-04:00T-Rav, Petering out? Never!
Also, I warned you a...T-Rav, Petering out? Never!<br /><br />Also, I warned you about this the other day. I think it's going to be a mess.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-56348315150708736812012-06-26T18:42:04.911-04:002012-06-26T18:42:04.911-04:00Since this thread is petering out, I'll go OT ...Since this thread is petering out, I'll go OT for a moment and announce GOOD NEWS!!! The NCAA or whoever is in charge of it has announced its approval of a national championship series for college football, starting in the 2014 season. As CBS News announced it, "The BCS is dead." <br /><br />Excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-44028110491966067722012-06-26T17:40:43.981-04:002012-06-26T17:40:43.981-04:00rlaWTX, Carter is more than that. He's done n...rlaWTX, Carter is more than that. He's done nothing but badmouth this country since he left office. He should go live somewhere better, like a Chinese labor camp.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.com