tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post6924219007868798693..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: Why Hillary Won't Challenge ObamaAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-64446305964204500252010-05-11T15:02:28.085-04:002010-05-11T15:02:28.085-04:00Lawhawk, I'd love to see a knock-down, drag-ou...Lawhawk, I'd love to see a knock-down, drag-out fight between the two of them in a primary. But, sadly, it won't happen.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-31300739815452458042010-05-11T14:37:30.547-04:002010-05-11T14:37:30.547-04:00Tweelde-Dum and Tweedle-Dummer. I think you'r...Tweelde-Dum and Tweedle-Dummer. I think you're absolutely right that she won't challenge the messiah, but I don't really care as long as neither of them is in the White House after the 2012 elections.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-11481290817494386682010-05-11T14:31:48.721-04:002010-05-11T14:31:48.721-04:00Crispy, I think you and Bev are right, except that...Crispy, I think you and Bev are right, except that I don't see her being able to get through a primary against Obama. If they could go back to 2008, I'm sure the Democrats would have switched to her. And she might be a good candidate for them in 2016, but I don't see them leaving Obama to support her in 2012 unless something big and bad happens first.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-29282273219919137482010-05-11T14:20:56.356-04:002010-05-11T14:20:56.356-04:00Call it Schadenfreude, but I'm definitely on t...Call it Schadenfreude, but I'm definitely on the "Ooooh, I hope Hillary runs" bandwagon, LOL.<br /><br />Your analysis makes sense, though, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.<br /><br />I also really agree with Bev that lots of people are looking at her in a new (better) light and she might stand a better chance of winning that O will in his reelection.CrispyRicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07302075204880024936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-51721545279563760472010-05-11T12:17:54.308-04:002010-05-11T12:17:54.308-04:00Joel, Game Change was huge news. It was on the be...Joel, <i>Game Change</i> was huge news. It was on the best seller list for weeks and it was covered by every "big" blog, magazine or newspaper I can think of. Palin, Romney, and Edwards all blasted it, as did many of their campaign people. Hillary's people, however, all remained silent.<br /><br />As for Obama bussing people in, that appears to have been a myth. It looks like he managed to turn out college kids in the caucus states.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-56282363438367554312010-05-11T12:03:32.889-04:002010-05-11T12:03:32.889-04:00Writer X, I could see her ego overcoming her judgm...Writer X, I could see her ego overcoming her judgment. She certainly seems to have an abundance of ego. And Obama does seem to keep digging himself bigger and bigger holes.<br /><br />If she does run, though, I'm not sure how she could overcome the loss of her network. I think taking the SoS job was a huge mistake and I honestly don't know how she would plan to come back from that. . . unless Bill has been rebuilding it for her quietly?<br /><br />I guess we'll see.<br /><br />I think whether we see people jump into the 2012 race (on the left) will depend on how the elections go. If the Democrats do worse than expected, then I could see a half dozen take the plunge. If they do better than expected, then I don't see anyone risking it.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-73552577132868915562010-05-11T11:55:54.855-04:002010-05-11T11:55:54.855-04:00Bev, I agree, there has been a surprising and dram...Bev, I agree, there has been a surprising and dramatic shift in the public's perception of her since the election.<br /><br />If you'd asked me before the election who would have been the better choice for Republicans, I would have said Hillary because she was more controversial and divisive and, therefore, more likely to help the Republicans return to power.<br /><br />But in hindsight, I think we got lucky that Obama turned out to be such a poor politician and so divisive. If Hillary had been elected, I have no doubt that she would have been more effective at getting liberal policies into place and likely could have done it without angering the entire country.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-5713159955424143152010-05-11T11:49:51.717-04:002010-05-11T11:49:51.717-04:00Andrew,
Do you know how Barack managed to get the...Andrew,<br /><br />Do you know how Barack managed to get the early caucuses? People were bused in to participate. A move Hillary didn't anticipate. This created an illusion that momentum was gathering for Barack. If he hadn't done that, Hillary would have won. She still has supporters, and outside of this blog, I haven't heard of that book.Joel Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-6027872394175318472010-05-11T11:48:06.945-04:002010-05-11T11:48:06.945-04:00Stan, Nixon is one of the few that managed to make...Stan, Nixon is one of the few that managed to make a comeback after losing, and I think there were special circumstances there because, if historians are correct, Nixon actually won the election but got robbed. That's why I was a little amazed that Al Gore didn't try again in 2004 against Bush.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-61364061741883333772010-05-11T11:41:35.385-04:002010-05-11T11:41:35.385-04:00I think Hillary's ego is big enough that she w...I think Hillary's ego is big enough that she would in fact consider another run, her intellect nothwithstanding. She smells blood in the water cause just when you think Obama can't get any worse, he dials it down another notch.<br /><br />I think we'll start to see people making announcements after the November election.Writer Xnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-48229166350804985312010-05-11T11:31:28.586-04:002010-05-11T11:31:28.586-04:00There is one other factor - those people who despi...There is one other factor - those people who despised her before, now see her in a whole new light compared to Obama. She doesn't seem so bad after all. [I include myself in that too] I think if we could go back to early 2008 with what we all know now, even Democrats would have to agree that she would have been a much better choice. She would come with her own host of problems, but she also has experience and Bill. They both work well across party lines.<br /><br />She has stated emphatically that she will not run again, but that means nothing. She said empathically that she wouldn't run for the Senate until she did and she wouldn't run for Presidant in 2008 until she did. She still has alot of support in NY and probably could win easily if she decided to run again for the Senate.BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-17757885039016819422010-05-11T11:30:44.839-04:002010-05-11T11:30:44.839-04:00The only one that I can think of that was challeng...The only one that I can think of that was challenged within the party was Ted Kennedy against Carter in ’80. It’s hard to believe but Jimmy wasn’t far enough to the left for the swimmer. Reagan in ’76 going against Ford, who as we know was the appointed incumbent (Watergate), and later wiping the field in ’80, both challenges were resolved at the conventions. <br /><br />As far as losing and making a comeback Nixon in ’60 came back, and won decisively in ’68 and ‘72. <br /><br />But I agree if the democrats get their butts handed to them in 11/10…perhaps. If you think that we’re hearing screams of racism now, just wait if that happens, the caterwauling would be insufferable.StanHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-25070230536020625472010-05-11T11:28:51.987-04:002010-05-11T11:28:51.987-04:00Joel, That's my suspicion. But in politics, y...Joel, That's my suspicion. But in politics, you never know.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-81189936752960231092010-05-11T11:20:35.246-04:002010-05-11T11:20:35.246-04:00Andrew,
The simplest answers are always the best....Andrew,<br /><br />The simplest answers are always the best. Resume padding.Joel Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-53504962295500195922010-05-11T11:04:58.943-04:002010-05-11T11:04:58.943-04:00Joel, If I put on my devious hat for a moment, I w...Joel, If I put on my devious hat for a moment, I would say that she thought she could achieve two things by taking the SoS job:<br /><br />1. She could avoid being in the Senate during all of the bad votes that she knew were coming -- ObamaCare, massive tax increases, more bailouts. Basically, she hoped to skip a bad political cycle.<br /><br />2. She figured that Obama would fail and she would look like the only "grown up" in the administration, and that she could get credit for "fixing" out foreign policy.<br /><br />But she never counted on Obama bringing her over basically to shut her up. Or on Obama sending special envoys to do everything she thought she was going to do.<br /><br />In any event, I don't think that was her thinking. I think she thought she was just resume padding for her next run.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-28482002369279988402010-05-11T11:00:22.236-04:002010-05-11T11:00:22.236-04:00Ponderosa, That's the biggest problem for anyo...Ponderosa, That's the biggest problem for anyone wanting to run against Obama -- there are no disgruntled Democrats to rally against him. Until his support within the part begins to fall into the 50% range, it would be totally foolish to run against him.<br /><br />And even then, the challenge would need to come from the left because that's where the activists are and because "moderates" don't tend to want to support insurgent candidates.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-75749097518979431502010-05-11T10:52:33.604-04:002010-05-11T10:52:33.604-04:00Jed, I agree. The Clintons' have show a real ...Jed, I agree. The Clintons' have show a real resilience in the past, but I think this time it might be too much. I <i>think</i> her thinking was that she lost the election because she was viewed as not having any foreign policy or leadership credentials, and she thought that she could get them by becoming Secretary of State for a few years and then moving on. But I don't think she thought this through, because that really is a political dead end.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-58958991972740988492010-05-11T10:43:19.804-04:002010-05-11T10:43:19.804-04:00Good analysis. The only thing you missed is "...Good analysis. The only thing you missed is "Why did Hillary deliberately take herself out of the Presidential equation?" I think it is survival and a gamble. <br /><br />A gamble that Obama, since he is obviously green, will fail. A survival in that she would have been the only challenge to Obama as a Senator, and subject to Palinization.Joel Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-17759157837864135572010-05-11T10:26:00.950-04:002010-05-11T10:26:00.950-04:00Very much agree - she let herself get into a bind....Very much agree - she let herself get into a bind. <br /><br />And even if his overall poll numbers are low, his approval rating among Dem voters is still high. 'Moderate' Dems don't play well in the primaries.<br /><br />Besides what would her platform be? Socialist lite. I'll tax you even more! I won't bow (as much).Ponderosahttp://scotchpundit.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-51445360541955699962010-05-11T09:37:03.229-04:002010-05-11T09:37:03.229-04:00A solid analysis. Obviously, things can change bas...A solid analysis. Obviously, things can change based on this year's mid-terms and the following two years, but the tide would seem to be against any Democrat in 2012 if there is not a significant economic rebound by then.<br /><br />The Clinton's have shown an amazing resiliancy and lack of shame in the past, so I never completely count them out, but I have to wonder what the hell she was thinking when she took the job at state.Tennessee Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.com