tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post7009207398467860566..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: Yet Another Debate Wrap UpAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-58292016661479531462011-10-13T00:14:31.013-04:002011-10-13T00:14:31.013-04:00no - she was already on the train... jumped on aft...no - she was already on the train... jumped on after the last debate. it's a total social conservative attraction. now she's selling tickets... Santorum came to TX last week and she & her family went to see him. they had pix taken... <br /><br />(and don't forget that kitties have claws!)rlaWTXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09319344164726195144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-48443134131201424632011-10-12T16:21:15.466-04:002011-10-12T16:21:15.466-04:00Here, kitty kitty...get back in this box...
Oh, i...Here, kitty kitty...get back in this box...<br /><br />Oh, it's rla. Hey, how in the world did your friend get on that Santorum train last night? Just curious.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-28335811771473643082011-10-12T15:54:18.255-04:002011-10-12T15:54:18.255-04:00I wasn't even thinking about that, Bev. Thanks...I wasn't even thinking about that, Bev. Thanks. Thanks a lot. Now I have to go clean out my crawlspaces and hidden rooms before the agents get here.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-18937825298325749722011-10-12T15:21:36.816-04:002011-10-12T15:21:36.816-04:00Bev, LOL! I like your note. :)Bev, LOL! I like your note. :)AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-611331912131763442011-10-12T15:20:36.994-04:002011-10-12T15:20:36.994-04:00T-Rav, Unfortunately, there are people out there w...T-Rav, Unfortunately, there are people out there who assume the worst about anyone they don't like. In fact, there was a fascinating show on the History Channel a while back about the number of people who have been accused of being the AntiChrist by a significant portion of the population and it was an incredible list that included pretty much any name you can think of.<br /><br />I just find it interesting that people would think someone so skill-free as Obama could qualify. It's not even like he won a landslide and he's got zero ability to win over people from the other side. He's just another Democratic wet-dream gone wrong.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-18497469048520711832011-10-12T15:17:05.450-04:002011-10-12T15:17:05.450-04:00T-Rav: And by "whack" you mean vote out,...T-Rav: And by "whack" you mean vote out, right??<br /><br /><br /><b>[Dear Secret Service, if you are reading this, he meant "vote out" when he wrote "whack". But if you would just check his basement for poor defenseless kittens, I would greatly appreciate it.]</b>BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-55160662166145822762011-10-12T15:12:14.658-04:002011-10-12T15:12:14.658-04:00Back in '08, some of my mom's friends aske...Back in '08, some of my mom's friends asked me if I thought Obama might be The Omen come to life. Even back then, I didn't think so, and I gave them several biblical reasons why not. <br /><br />Besides, there are plenty of other reasons to whack him besides that.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-75640641559386210622011-10-12T14:48:32.197-04:002011-10-12T14:48:32.197-04:00Thanks Writer X!
I agree completely. I can vote ...Thanks Writer X!<br /><br />I agree completely. I can vote for Romeny/Cain though Romney is by no means my first choice because he just doesn't come across as truly conservative. He comes across as a slick package that keeps talking until he's said enough on each side of the spectrum that everyone hears something they like. So I don't really know what he truly believes and that's a problem.<br /><br />I agree too that it would have been better for him to come clean on RomneyCare from the get go. I do think his answers are enough to placate most viewers, but they aren't actually satisfying.<br /><br />But of course, as you say, we just can't another 4 years of Obama. He's a disaster.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-22144373908194419632011-10-12T14:37:34.491-04:002011-10-12T14:37:34.491-04:00Great wrap-up, Andrew!
I wouldn't be opposed ...Great wrap-up, Andrew!<br /><br />I wouldn't be opposed to a Romney/Cain ticket, although I still distrust Romney. Some of his answers, the ones you noted in fact, were too slick. I don't like how he's dealt with Romney care. If he had just come clean about it at the get-go, I'd have more respect for him. That said, I would vote for just about anybody, including Romney, as opposed to 4 more years of Obama and his ilk.Writer Xnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-6058152589845244392011-10-12T14:29:06.613-04:002011-10-12T14:29:06.613-04:00tryanmax, I think that is a huge problem with Amer...tryanmax, I think that is a huge problem with American voters -- they don't actually think about what they hear. So for the majority of voters hearing "I plan to protect jobs" or "create jobs" or "make everyone pay a fair share" is enough to make them think there is a plan, even though it's nothing of the sort.<br /><br />That's one of the reasons I was relatively harsh in my 2012 contender series -- because most of these people aren't offering actual plans, they're offering platitudes with only a suggestion of specifics. "We need to reform the tax code!" Ok, how. "I want to cut taxes!" Ok, which ones and how much? "I plan to put people back to work?" How?<br /><br />Unfortunately, too many people simply fall for this and never ask the important questions seeking the details.<br /><br />And that actually raises a flip-side problem. If you do include details, then people will oppose your plan the moment they hear any detail they don't like. That's just as wrong.<br /><br />So we end up electing people who make only vague promises and then we get upset when their vague promises don't turn out to be exactly what we imaged they would be. That's what Obama is facing now, is that he ran a campaign of platitudes and people read into what he said. Now that he hasn't lived up to what they read into his plans, he's paying a price in failed expectations... even though those expectations were irrational.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-88142481888330020512011-10-12T14:19:34.756-04:002011-10-12T14:19:34.756-04:00That's another reason why Romney leaves a sour...That's another reason why Romney leaves a sour taste in my mouth. We already have a platitudinous president, we don't need to follow-up with another one. Unfortunately, in addition to being unable to name all 50 states, I don't think most Americans even know what a plan <i><b>IS</b></i>!<br /><br />I can't tell you how many conversations I stumbled into with people who think Obama once had an economic "plan." "So what is the plan?" I would ask. They'd prattle something they'd heard about "cutting 4.4 trillion dollars" and I would gently prompt with something like, "Yes, that's a big number, but how and when?" The response would be some muttering about his number being bigger than someone else's number. I really don't think I could take another four years of that, even if the platitudes come with an "R" beside them.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-4112700594565436072011-10-12T14:00:29.108-04:002011-10-12T14:00:29.108-04:00rlaWTX, I don't know what Cain has planned, bu...rlaWTX, I don't know what Cain has planned, but it does make sense if he has some sort of deal <i>for when he loses</i>. I would assume that if he beats Romney in the first several primaries that he would not bow out at that point. I wouldn't be surprised if the deal was just a peace agreement, i.e. an agreement to target the others, or if it was some sort of mutual "you pick me, I pick you" type agreement. I don't know. But I think we will find out at some point.<br /><br />But whether there is a deal or not, I can't see Cain folding if he starts to win.<br /><br />I don't know what to tell you about your friend liking Santorum. I've never thought he was actually in this to win it. I think he's one of those guys who runs to raise his profile so that he's a bigger name for whatever think tank he plans to work for. And I personally think his performances in these debates have exposed him as a pretty shallow thinker who relies on dirty-tricks types attacks and smears to make his point -- not that he really has a point. But I clearly don't speak for everyone on that.<br /><br />I can see why Newt may have lost some followers last night. Trying to unfurl the Palin and Paul banners so prominently is not what his fans expect. They are used to intellectual, insider Newt (with cash-grab action grip). To see him suddenly present himself as pitchfork, outsider Newt was probably pretty disconcerting.<br /><br />Yeah, I think Obama's incompetence disqualifies him from being taken seriously as any sort of evil mastermind. He's more like a bumbler who is just wrecking havoc on the country.<br /><br />I thought her 9-9-9 joke failed on many levels.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-28352750596825496622011-10-12T13:45:31.542-04:002011-10-12T13:45:31.542-04:00I read the sockpuppet thread and then this article...I read the sockpuppet thread and then this article this morning... <br />I am glad that Cain did well. <br />My social/econ very conservative friend who was tentatively pro-Gingrich has become totally pro-Santorum and thought he did a dandy job last night. <br />An fb friend of hers thinks that Perry still has a chance (but he admits to being biased because he was appointed to something or another board by Perry).<br />There was an NRO article about Cain & Romney that made it sound like Romney has hopes for Cain joining him, but Cain's not sitting on his laurels waiting. And as a back-up plan, it's not bad. Perry would have to choose a Yankee to balance out his ticket. Santorum has been pretty hostile to Cain. Bachmann and Paul are irrelevant. So, with Romney in the front, Cain playing a little nice isn't a bad plan - as long as he doesn't give up going after the real differences, I don't have a problem with it... Esp. since Cain is going to WIN! <br /><br />As for the "joke" - Bachmann is an idiot. That is a church joke, not a political debate joke. As a pre-trib, pre-mil, independent Baptist fundamentalist, I am not offended by the joke, but by the fact it is such a dumb joke in a serious conversation.<br /><br />And as for the AntiChrist - perfect rebuttal to why TOTUS is NOT him... incompetence! Remember the conversation on here about TOTUS being Satan - my conclusion then was that he is a flunky not the Fallen Angel of light himself, and I think TOTUS's incompetence proves this...rlaWTXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09319344164726195144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-79020669909283957832011-10-12T13:43:53.970-04:002011-10-12T13:43:53.970-04:00On the debates, I doubt anyone took offense. I th...On the debates, I doubt anyone took offense. I think we all agree that the formats have been bad because the moderators are controlling the debates rather than just moderating the debates.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-26533062482235815452011-10-12T13:43:00.320-04:002011-10-12T13:43:00.320-04:00Sadly, I doubt our idiot President can name all 50...Sadly, I doubt our idiot President can name all 50 states... much less the extra 7 he thinks are out there.<br /><br />59 points is too much to sell effectively to the public. He should have created a 5-7 point plan tops and then filled in the rest as details. Choosing 59 points just shows he thinks like a wonk. But even worse, I frankly think his 59 points hide a complete lack of detail by making it appear to be a detail heavy plan.<br /><br />In other words, when people hear 59 points, they assume he's got ready-to-go policies within that plan, i.e. that it's a very specific plan. But if you look at it, most of it is things like "make American manufacturing competitive again". That's meaningless. It's not pure platitudes like Bachmann, but it's not at all clear what he would do either.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-30848906507212121362011-10-12T13:35:38.678-04:002011-10-12T13:35:38.678-04:00Sadly, I doubt most Americans can name all 50 stat...Sadly, I doubt most Americans can name all 50 states, let alone follow 59 points!tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-30684984890516155412011-10-12T13:34:21.484-04:002011-10-12T13:34:21.484-04:00Just so no one feels dogged on, I was just spellin...Just so no one feels dogged on, I was just spelling out why I can't stomach the debates. I wasn't accusing anyone here of buying into them. In fact, the only places I sense there is real, honest discussion about them is on blog sites. <br /><br />Regardless of political stripes, everyone seems to agree that the debates are a mess. Except lefty blogs, of course. They just like to pretend that the debates are bloodier than they are.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-56006777502358151142011-10-12T13:06:19.522-04:002011-10-12T13:06:19.522-04:00ACG, True. I pointed out in the article that his ...ACG, True. I pointed out in the article that his defense sounds good and went un-refuted. But the truth is rather different than he's saying. In particular, he did force everyone to get insurance or join the system, and costs in Mass are out of control.<br /><br />Plus, his 59 points sound a lot to me like things various Democrats have wanted in the past like raising the minimum wage. That's not conservative (nor is it good policy).AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-76036152383168622542011-10-12T13:03:59.773-04:002011-10-12T13:03:59.773-04:00Indi, Howdy! I've been thinking about you lat...Indi, Howdy! I've been thinking about you lately. I was wonder if you ever got your account fixed at the Bigs?<br /><br />On Cain, I actually doubt very much Cain's plan can be implemented. It's simply too radical for the establishment to accept. They might add pieces of it to the tax code, but they won't change the current tax code. So while I love the plan, I also sadly think it can't happen.<br /><br />I think the best we can do is actually to start pushing for a flat tax without deductions, and then maybe we can make other changes. But even that will trigger a deathmatch in Washington.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-62077837775781248702011-10-12T13:02:39.033-04:002011-10-12T13:02:39.033-04:00Andrew he also wouldn't have invented Romneyca...Andrew he also wouldn't have invented Romneycare that has put hundreds of people in Mass into debt or left them without insurance.Game Master Rob Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08198920658123610173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-62373606908311312792011-10-12T13:00:50.784-04:002011-10-12T13:00:50.784-04:00ACG, You and me both! Romney can sound very conse...ACG, You and me both! Romney can sound very conservative at times, but I just don't believe it because he keeps backtracking to the left every time. If he really believed in conservatism and wasn't just using it as a marketing gimmick, then he wouldn't be backtracking. It's frustrating.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-66404427350220207322011-10-12T12:59:17.336-04:002011-10-12T12:59:17.336-04:00T-Rav, In my article at BH, someone actually very ...T-Rav, In my article at BH, someone actually very seriously said that they thought Obama is the Anti-Christ. I made the same point there about his competence and the guy ignored me. :(AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-16136398789474028952011-10-12T12:58:18.470-04:002011-10-12T12:58:18.470-04:00T-Rav, Thanks for the explanation. I see your poi...T-Rav, Thanks for the explanation. I see your point.<br /><br />I got the feeling she just thought she was saying something clever, and I don't think there was any substance to her criticism. In fact, I suspect that if the moderators had said, "ok, let's move beyond clever phrases and tell me what details you don't like in his plan," that she wouldn't have been able to come up with anything except the rather stupid argument that Congress would abuse it.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-91932019306337678102011-10-12T12:55:39.971-04:002011-10-12T12:55:39.971-04:00Andrew...
I like Cain and I like the 9-9-9 plan. ...Andrew...<br /><br />I like Cain and I like the 9-9-9 plan. The only criticism that I think is relevant is that the National Sales Tax probably will require an amendment to the constitution which makes implementing it more difficult.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-87014461964690873072011-10-12T12:54:43.421-04:002011-10-12T12:54:43.421-04:00I really hope Romney does not win. I am so sick of...I really hope Romney does not win. I am so sick of RINOS in office.Game Master Rob Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08198920658123610173noreply@blogger.com