tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post8026383685021801883..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: Halal No!AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-87219185110583485372010-10-20T18:02:05.058-04:002010-10-20T18:02:05.058-04:00Thanks Jed. I agree, excellent comments and an in...Thanks Jed. I agree, excellent comments and an interesting discussion!AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-71155053267561155972010-10-20T17:54:23.258-04:002010-10-20T17:54:23.258-04:00Very interesting article, although nothing inspiri...Very interesting article, although nothing inspiring to add to the excellent comments previously made by others.Tennessee Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-17352025099330685232010-10-20T16:45:39.647-04:002010-10-20T16:45:39.647-04:00Ed, I have no idea, but you have to wonder. And I...Ed, I have no idea, but you have to wonder. And I doubt they'll tell us anymore than they told the Brits.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-52417920881457828652010-10-20T16:43:12.129-04:002010-10-20T16:43:12.129-04:00Typical. I wonder how much of this is going on in ...Typical. I wonder how much of this is going on in the US right and we don't know about it?Ednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-84431348946832040952010-10-20T16:32:36.384-04:002010-10-20T16:32:36.384-04:00rlaWTX, I'm not saying there is anything wrong...rlaWTX, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with trying to be considerate of people's religious beliefs. But I am saying that it's wrong to decide to foist those beliefs on the public at large without telling them. That's what's going on here.<br /><br />On your point about the school in rural Texas, small town America plays by a very different set of rules than big town America. I've spent some time in a small town and they actually closed the courts for the first day of hunting season -- something that wouldn't even occur to people in the bigger cities.<br /><br />Also, you put your finger on something that's bothered me for years -- people who try to join groups or move to certain areas and then change the group or area. We get a lot of that here from Californians. They ruined their own state, then they came here because Colorado was like California before they ruined it . . . and they immediately set about trying to change the laws to make it more like California. Now it's a mess.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-91277688465040111342010-10-20T16:22:22.607-04:002010-10-20T16:22:22.607-04:00[1] when I was working in Fairfax, we had a couple...[1] when I was working in Fairfax, we had a couple of mostly observant Muslims. So, when we did any "let's feed the crew", they got cheese or veggie pizza and kosher hot dogs. (We didn't have any observant Jews. I asked.) But that's as far as I was going. They seemed to appreciate it.<br /><br />[2] West Texas: Yeah, it's a moment of silence. BUT! There is a school district outside of town who still goes their own way (they have a strictly enforced dress code - includes guy's hair off the collar & over the ears). There is a church with a cemetary next to the football field. From that cemetery they broadcast a student praying during the "Moment". That church recently had a revival & the school had him in one afternoon - on school grounds - to speak his Christian message. Then this week, the recently retired former pastor passed away. School closed early the day of the funeral. Too many students & teachers were going to be gone anyway... They also don't have a holiday on MLK Day, but they do for Stock Show! Gotta love it!!!!<br />(every so often someone moves out there for the great school and then starts trying to change things, like the dress code. It doens't work.)rlaWTXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09319344164726195144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-76320420327039155942010-10-20T15:21:25.935-04:002010-10-20T15:21:25.935-04:00Di, I agree -- say what you will about NACAR, they...Di, I agree -- say what you will about NACAR, they really do respect America and it's traditions!<br /><br />I agree about the boycott, they just need to get the word out. I think word is spreading already, but it would help if Drudge picked up the story.<br /><br />I did not hear about the LDS Church, but I'm not surprised in the least. The media only cares about certain churches, just like they only care about the rights of certain religions. If it's a black church in the South, 10,000 journalists rush to the scene and demand immediate hate crime charges even before they know the cause. If it's pork thrown at the side of a Mosque, 10,000 journalists rush to the scene and demand hate crime charges. If it's a Mormon Church. . . crickets, followed by discussions about the things the left doesn't like about the Mormons.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-70946987037556563082010-10-20T15:03:01.515-04:002010-10-20T15:03:01.515-04:00I bet that if everyone who is offended by this wer...I bet that if everyone who is offended by this were to stop buying Campbell's products, they would take notice. As to Patti's comment about the "moment of silence", that is one of the things I love about NASCAR. Say what you will about the fans etc., but that group is God and Country all the way. They say a prayer before every race and in one of the prayers this season someone said "Thank you for this sport that still allows us to pray." And, this is slightly off topic, but we are talking a little bit about Islam here and this relates a somewhat- did anyone hear about the LDS (Mormon) church that was burned down in Seattle last week? It was determined that it was deliberately set but as yet I haven't heard of any suspects. I was thinking that if the building had been a mosque, there would have been an uproar and quite a bit of coverage in the media.Dihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16063583307944484526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-43311251401676326522010-10-20T13:27:57.118-04:002010-10-20T13:27:57.118-04:00Patti! Good for you! And sorry to ruin your move...Patti! Good for you! And sorry to ruin your move. It's time that people begin to stand up to this garbage. We are a country with a history, with a culture and with traditions. And while I love adding immigrant culture to our own, I will not let them wipe our culture out in the process.<br /><br />(P.S. The afternoon post will probably lift your spirits! ;-) )AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-21783166777952014932010-10-20T13:26:10.068-04:002010-10-20T13:26:10.068-04:00Joel, LOL! I haven't thought about Jim from T...Joel, LOL! I haven't thought about Jim from Taxi in years! Great show!AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-55194146655069589872010-10-20T13:23:13.363-04:002010-10-20T13:23:13.363-04:00and here i was in a fairly good mood till i read t...and here i was in a fairly good mood till i read this. folks can bend over backwards for this, and in my beloved west texas, prior to a friday night football game, we now have a freakin' moment of silence instead of calling it what good west texans are actually doing: praying. i made the sign of the cross and yelled a hearty, AMEN!, when done. just to *PUNCH* the halil out of stupidity.Notawonkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15388997298014397980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-14667012510666891952010-10-20T13:15:05.001-04:002010-10-20T13:15:05.001-04:00Would they be as upset if we had the reverend from...Would they be as upset if we had the reverend from Taxi pray over the blood?Joel Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-7011105030518991172010-10-20T13:13:08.019-04:002010-10-20T13:13:08.019-04:00Joel, Strangely, I suspect that would cause a grea...Joel, Strangely, I suspect that would cause a greater outrage on the left than if you just sank the boat.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-50434949952756811352010-10-20T13:05:47.893-04:002010-10-20T13:05:47.893-04:00Andrew,
I have an idea. Bomb the next peace ship ...Andrew,<br /><br />I have an idea. Bomb the next peace ship headed for Gaza with pig's blood in balloons. Or better yet, threaten to do so. See what happens.Joel Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-47054092694732950762010-10-20T12:38:47.461-04:002010-10-20T12:38:47.461-04:00Joel, I agree that food should be specifically mar...Joel, I agree that food should be specifically marked if it's somehow unusual -- like a dietary requirement or it contains a known allergen or something controversial. I believe in giving the public enough information to make an informed decision in all things.<br /><br />On the bullets. . . let me just say that when you fight an enemy, you need to understand them. And I think we would have a lot fewer Islamic terrorists if we understood their religious beliefs and we took advantage of them. If you can't get into Muslim heaven if you are killed by something unclean, then maybe that's a good idea to introduce.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-29101305283170053152010-10-20T12:22:57.037-04:002010-10-20T12:22:57.037-04:00Andrew,
I really don't much care how the Musl...Andrew,<br /><br />I really don't much care how the Muslim's react to anything. <br /><br />I think we should soak our bullets in pig's blood, just to tweek them. <br /><br />Having said that, I do think that food prepared specially for a dietary requirement should be marked like KOSHER food.Joel Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-22300764740966138622010-10-20T12:14:12.387-04:002010-10-20T12:14:12.387-04:00Lawhawk, That seems to be part of the thinking in ...Lawhawk, That seems to be part of the thinking in leftist circles these days -- if we appease them, then they will kill us last. Of course, history teaches the opposite, but the left never has been good at history.<br /><br />As I say in one of the comments above, I suspect part of this has more to do with seeing Muslims as "the next market" and part is just political correctness, which seems to worship everything except Western cultures and ideas. . . which it disdains.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-54485532271487910542010-10-20T12:10:30.254-04:002010-10-20T12:10:30.254-04:00Joel, To the extent there is coincidental overlap ...Joel, To the extent there is coincidental overlap between our practices and Halal practices (and I'm sure there is), it does not bother me -- just as it doesn't bother me if Nancy Pelosi and I happen to use the same toothpaste.<br /><br />But it would bother me if they hired Pelosi to endorse the toothpaste. Then I would probably switch brands because I don't like what the company stands for.<br /><br />And coincidental overlap is a far cry from specifically setting out to create Halal foods without telling anyone, especially where those Hallal methods differ from what we've come to expect as standard practices in our food industry.<br /><br />Moreover, let's not forget the religious aspect of this. I ask again, how would Muslims react if they found out that Catholic or Jewish prayers were said over their food before it was given to them or that the methods used to prepare it had to be approved by a priest or a Rabbi? They would be outraged. So why are we supposed to just accept this?AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-72943373162219350632010-10-20T11:58:41.027-04:002010-10-20T11:58:41.027-04:00Andrew: It's a simple formula. The best defe...Andrew: It's a simple formula. The best defense is a good, well, defense. If you go out of your way to make sure that animals' throats are properly slit so they die a properly gruesome death, the Muslims won't slit <i>your</i> throat. At least for now, that is.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-49997585164373037882010-10-20T11:55:59.723-04:002010-10-20T11:55:59.723-04:00Andrew,
I think we have more to fear from what Pe...Andrew,<br /><br />I think we have more to fear from what Peta thinks we should eat as opposed to what Halal is.<br /><br />I feel the same way as you about all things Muslim. I don't like much of Muslim represents.<br /><br />Halal is how food is prepared. Quite a bit of our food actually is prepared Halal. Only we don't know it, because it has been done that way for Years. Like almost since 1947. Right after WWII. We still wouldn't have known that it was prepared Halal style until some Iman actually has a chance to check to see if it conforms to Halal standards.<br /><br />Now, you cook food. If you make it Halal style, it is only by accident. If some Iman comes by and states definitively that you cooked your food Halal style and it is okay for a Muslim to eat it, will you change your recipe?Joel Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-54586062432147550212010-10-20T11:24:04.306-04:002010-10-20T11:24:04.306-04:00LL, I agree. Like you, I sometimes choose cost, s...LL, I agree. Like you, I sometimes choose cost, sometimes quality and sometimes principles or ideas that I like to support (or to reject).<br /><br />So I want to know when there is something controversial about a product. And it offends me when something as controversial as this is done without our knowledge. I'm not saying they can't have their Halal meats, but I don't want them.<br /><br />It's not just the way they slaughter animals either. I don't support their religion. In fact, I find it offensive. And thus I don't want to support their religion in any way. So to do this in secret bothers me deeply.<br /><br />And while I'm sure that many on the left and/or Muslims will be upset about that statement, let me point out that this is the same thing as liberals boycotting South African products in the 1980s or certain tunas or Nabisco because they were owned by a cigarette company. Also, I wonder how Muslims would react if they were secretly sold Kosher products? They would probably start blowing things up. So they have no room to complain about my desire not to participate or support their beliefs.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-79322856041078498612010-10-20T11:12:32.043-04:002010-10-20T11:12:32.043-04:00JG, It wouldn't surprise me, especially with s...JG, It wouldn't surprise me, especially with so many soldiers in Afghanistan and the other issues with Muslims right now that there is a heavy emphasis on "being sensitive" to Muslims.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-312478174413215662010-10-20T11:11:05.596-04:002010-10-20T11:11:05.596-04:00I like Hebrew National hot dogs. But they advertis...I like Hebrew National hot dogs. But they advertise them as kosher. I like the Costco hot dogs even better and they're not.<br /><br />I buy dolphin safe tuna, not because it tastes better but because the idea of saving a fish that thinks appeals to me.<br /><br />I would NOT knowingly buy Halal anything on a matter of principle. And having people slip the process into something I eat without telling me bothers me.LLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05538854359365988863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-64719418664742245772010-10-20T10:59:04.377-04:002010-10-20T10:59:04.377-04:00Joel, On your point about not being able to buy br...Joel, On your point about not being able to buy brain anymore, it's interesting you should say that because I'm hearing more people complain these days about not being able to get things they used to get because government regulations are interfering with what kinds of meat you can get. Sometimes you can only get it with a huge label that says "not for human consumption." That's all going a little too far.<br /><br />That said, however, I am in favor of treating animals humanely, and I think stunning them is probably the most humane way to kill them.<br /><br />In terms of PETA v. Muslims, I would never take your bet because I'm pretty darn sure the Muslims will win that one. Heck, PETA barely succeeds against that big, politically correct wet noodle called corporate America... and they don't try to blow you up.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-80270959944846683412010-10-20T10:51:54.287-04:002010-10-20T10:51:54.287-04:00That's true, I'm sure it was required. The...That's true, I'm sure it was required. The guys in question were some foreign soldiers training with our company from African/Middle Eastern countries (can't remember which specifically right now). So yes, institutionally there's a lot of pressure in the military to be hyper-sensitive to Muslims right now.JGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03116405895683599572noreply@blogger.com