tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post8751140794848264279..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: Yes, Virginia--There Is A Tenth AmendmentAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-29944145143221667122010-11-13T19:54:25.959-05:002010-11-13T19:54:25.959-05:00Wow Hawk
You provided a most titillating read.
It ...Wow Hawk<br />You provided a most titillating read.<br />It sounds great but can it be made to happen? The most significant effect of Katrina was an enormous increase in crime over in Houston which does not seem to be reported on.<br />As for Democracy that is just a more palatable term for mob rule. We need for our elected to understand the difference between Democracy and Republic. They need to be guided into the proper application of the power we vest in them or be removed in a timely manner. How is it that the cream is always supposed to rise to the top but in politics it seems only the scum rise?Tehachapi Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-64223584219739025242010-11-12T20:15:23.932-05:002010-11-12T20:15:23.932-05:00Stan: The problem with a Constitutional conventio...Stan: The problem with a Constitutional convention is that you can make rules limiting the purpose of the convention, but you can't enforce them. It's exactly what the Founders did. They just ignored their original mandate and set out to build a whole new form of government. It was the first time (and quite possibly the last time) that a small group of representatives completely revised a form of government which included whole new levels of restraint on government, submitted it to a democratic vote, and created a genuine representative democracy (republic) with a full system of checks and balances. I'm not sure that could be duplicated in today's environment, and it could be the ultimate opportunity for the convention to institute direct democracy and remove the entire concept of a foundational document that doesn't change with the whim of current fashion.<br /><br />Given today's mindless mantra of "power to the people," we would most likely end up with a third world type of government--one man, one vote, one time. Direct democracy has failed every time it has been tried, but that doesn't stop the leftists from trying again.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-18764723693231184742010-11-12T19:54:40.292-05:002010-11-12T19:54:40.292-05:00T_Rav: The Senate does have one saving grace. 1/...T_Rav: The Senate does have one saving grace. 1/3 of the Senate is elected every two years, and the Senators serve for six. Despite the horrific Reid Senate, it can still act as a brake on the bugaboo House of temporary majorities. Beyond that, it has completely lost its sense of representing the states. Unlike California's 1/2 every election and four year Senate terms (see my response to Tennessee Jed, above), the US Senate does reflect the mob less than the House--but not by much.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-53898849896836157442010-11-12T19:33:52.001-05:002010-11-12T19:33:52.001-05:00Lee Atwater was from Atlanta, Reagan had his South...Lee Atwater was from Atlanta, Reagan had his Southern contingent. <br /><br />So if a Constitutional Convention were called, you couldn’t limit the scope, the entire Constitution would be open to amendment…”danger, Will Robinson!” The states would have to vote, and get a super majority of 38-39 to make any changes? Even so, with our progressive infestation, this would have to be broached with great care indeed.StanHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-84160135560038479332010-11-12T19:10:07.037-05:002010-11-12T19:10:07.037-05:00LawHawk, thanks for the indirect compliment. :-) T...LawHawk, thanks for the indirect compliment. :-) The way I see it, having direct election of senators negates the main purpose of the Senate, which was to represent the state legislatures. Representing "the people" is what the House of Representatives is for. I'm glad the Senate is there, of course, but it's kind of redundant under the present system once you think about it. <br /><br />Unfortunately, I don't see the Amendment going anywhere, because if anyone did make a serious attempt to repeal it, the Dems would just scream, "They're trying to take away our voting rights!" Crude and simplistic, but it works. (sigh) Oh well...T_Ravnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-3769983551276899122010-11-12T19:02:20.793-05:002010-11-12T19:02:20.793-05:00Patti: I think that with what the governors have ...Patti: I think that with what the governors have planned, along with what the Tea Party has done, and the sense of purpose that conservatives are beginning to see coalesce, that march may already have begun. Momentum is vitally important, and right now we have that momentum. The governors are acting as the field generals to keep that momentum going. The last time I sensed something this strong in the wind was when I was a young volunteer in the Civil Rights movement.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-76389752956692625902010-11-12T18:56:19.395-05:002010-11-12T18:56:19.395-05:00Andrew: I agree wholeheartedly. I was very pleas...Andrew: I agree wholeheartedly. I was very pleasantly surprised, and only in the past few days, to find out that the governors were actually organizing an effort to instruct the incoming House. I think they could do a great deal of good.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-67481766689584145632010-11-12T18:53:43.083-05:002010-11-12T18:53:43.083-05:00Stan: Until Katrina, I'm afraid my prejudices...Stan: Until Katrina, I'm afraid my prejudices against thick Southern speech kept me from "getting" Barbour. I should have known that Reagan didn't trust idiots. Since Katrina, I've learned to overcome my innate prejudices against Southern accents, and discovered I find more like-minded souls among them than I do among my mush-mouthed California acquaintances, dude. <br /><br />I'm not yet ready for a Constitutional convention. I think we can remedy the problems within our current framework. Once that convention is called, anything can happen. After all, the Constitution is the result of a convention that was only there to tinker at the edges of the Articles of Confederation. We got lucky once, I'm not sure that given the current dependence of such a large portion of the population on the government dole, a Constitutional convention might not be a cure worse than the disease. It may eventually come to that, but I don't think we're there yet.<br /><br />The problem is that while we're making a run at the 16th and 17th Amendments, there is a very large group of know-nothings who would like to make the same run at the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th and 10th Amendments.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-39668254060215428832010-11-12T18:41:19.174-05:002010-11-12T18:41:19.174-05:00Tennessee: Thanks. I have faith that the Republi...Tennessee: Thanks. I have faith that the Republicans will gain some fortitude as the Brown administration fumbles, dithers, mouths platitudes and accelerates toward the cliff. I just hope that two years hence, when the Assembly is up for reelection and 1/2 of the State Senate is up, California has not already gone over the cliff.<br /><br />Interesting piece of California history. It modeled its State Senate after the original version of the U. S. Senate. The Assembly was like the House, and the Senate represented the counties. That was so San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego counties couldn't act without the assistance of the small counties. In 1968, the formula was changed to distribute Senate seats proportionately, so that state Senators represent populations rather than counties, and the only difference between the Assembly and the Senate is the number each official represents. Since that change, the state has moved farther left and more Democratic each year. The State Senate is totally irrelevant since they vote exactly the same way the Assembly votes. Checks and balances gone at the state level too.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-74670216968125198002010-11-12T18:34:10.210-05:002010-11-12T18:34:10.210-05:00law: "Republicans must get their heads togeth...law: "Republicans must get their heads together, form a coherent plan, link arms, and march. What a refreshing change that would be."<br /><br />gave me chills brother. can you imagine?! I know i can, as well as millions of other americans. let's hope the republicans can.Notawonkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15388997298014397980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-31573609099231930082010-11-12T18:33:21.584-05:002010-11-12T18:33:21.584-05:00It's always time for a little Federalism. Let...It's always time for a little Federalism. Let's hope Barbour and the rest of the team strike back and put an end to Obama's agenda. Having he House is great, but getting the states back into the act would be so much better on so many levels because it would cut the government's ability to turn right back around and do it again.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-3353723354888052312010-11-12T18:24:45.877-05:002010-11-12T18:24:45.877-05:00T_Rav: I'm amazed at the number of people who...T_Rav: I'm amazed at the number of people who have taken up the cause of repealing the 17th Amendment, and even more surprised how many truly understand how important it is to return to the concept of Senators representing the states rather than their current status as super-Congressmen. The Founders built that balance in to preserve the balance between the will of temporary majorities and the stability of (now) fifty separate and sovereign states. I agree.<br /><br />If it takes some hard times for California to come to its senses, so be it. This drunken spending spree and the perpetuation of public employee royalty must cease. Jerry Brown and the other crazies may just be the injection they need to complete the experiment that failed.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-77306928877636531872010-11-12T18:11:54.954-05:002010-11-12T18:11:54.954-05:00Great read Lawhawk. Haley Barbour is a sharp guy, ...Great read Lawhawk. Haley Barbour is a sharp guy, as are the other two. He was Reagan’s political director, working with Lee Atwater, and later head of the RNC during Gingrich’s ’94 “Contract With America.” If the great Reagan saw his value so should we. <br /><br />Not to fly off in wild directions, but do we have enough states to call for a Constitutional Convention. I believe it’s 2/3 majority, which would be 33-34 governors I think we have 30-31? I know there is peril in this because real change could happen in a flash that could alter the Constitution. But if we could take a run at the 16 & 17th Amendment that would be wonderful. Your thoughts.StanHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-74550702656580569202010-11-12T18:04:17.238-05:002010-11-12T18:04:17.238-05:00great post, Hawk. The time to hesitate is indeed t...great post, Hawk. The time to hesitate is indeed through. For once, I hope my Republicans show some cajones.Tennessee Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-29983112671364716322010-11-12T17:31:54.881-05:002010-11-12T17:31:54.881-05:00Well said, LawHawk. Once we've done all that, ...Well said, LawHawk. Once we've done all that, we can move to Step Two, which would be repealing the 17th Amendment. <br /><br />Also, I really like McDonnell's comment about California making its bed and lying in it. I hate that you and the other good people out there could get hurt in the process, but a majority of the voters decided to sit in their own filth and cry for more money. I don't have any sympathy for them.T_Ravnoreply@blogger.com