tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post8953138123741583945..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: Obama: The Man Who Would Be KingAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-70063310332737698132009-12-09T13:32:02.134-05:002009-12-09T13:32:02.134-05:00DCAlleyKat, Great minds! LOL! I actually used the ...DCAlleyKat, Great minds! LOL! I actually used the title because it's a reference to a movie in which Sean Connery tries to make himself the king of Afghanistan.<br /><br /><br />Andrew - with Michael Cain, I love that movie!! Great minds indeed...DCAlleyKathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13595521064453455995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-87274129703974404392009-12-04T15:39:02.623-05:002009-12-04T15:39:02.623-05:00DCAlleyKat, Great minds! LOL! I actually used the...DCAlleyKat, Great minds! LOL! I actually used the title because it's a reference to a movie in which Sean Connery tries to make himself the king of Afghanistan.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-62605498239489333852009-12-04T14:56:54.112-05:002009-12-04T14:56:54.112-05:00Hmmm...kind of reminded me of a blogpost I wrote b...Hmmm...kind of reminded me of a blogpost I wrote back in February titled "Barack Obama - The Boy Who Would Be King"...!DCAlleyKathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13595521064453455995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-6008380069279530912009-12-03T14:33:32.301-05:002009-12-03T14:33:32.301-05:00CrispyRice: I have to be careful about carrying t...CrispyRice: I have to be careful about carrying these analogies too far, but I will say that I at least smell the hint of 1967-68 all over again. And I can be somewhat analytical about it since I was on the anti-war side during that split in the Democratic Party.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-9120912502831551242009-12-03T10:50:15.594-05:002009-12-03T10:50:15.594-05:00Thanks CrispyRice. I think this is really good ev...Thanks CrispyRice. I think this is really good evidence that the love is gone for Obama and he's got serious problems -- not to mention that his decision is just horrible.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-22498037845679542102009-12-03T09:59:34.114-05:002009-12-03T09:59:34.114-05:00Very well done and informative, as always, Andrew!...Very well done and informative, as always, Andrew!<br /><br />Michael Savage (yes, *sigh*, I'm a talk radio junkie) last did a piece alternating BO's speech with bits from one of Johnson's speech about Vietnam. It was eery - the same sentences, phrases, vacant references.<br /><br />LawHawk, I'm guess I'm not surprised that the MSM isn't airing the news from the far-left either. Anything anti-O isn't going to play well, is it? And the media wonders why it's going bankrupt.CrispyRicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07302075204880024936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-55890952891601288502009-12-03T08:11:38.029-05:002009-12-03T08:11:38.029-05:00Lawhawk: I don’t know how you handle it brother. I...Lawhawk: I don’t know how you handle it brother. It’s to bad you don’t have a giant trap door on Market Street, make these “enlightened” creeps disappear, they’ll not be missed.StanHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-90933863001618567502009-12-03T01:38:12.603-05:002009-12-03T01:38:12.603-05:00Andrew: I truly don't believe that you and I ...Andrew: I truly don't believe that you and I disagree about the war at all. It's a matter of the war that is, and how Obama is handling it, and there's not a dime's worth of difference between us. I was off on a tangent about the war that could have been, but never will be. And if we're consistent about anything, it's dealing with the real world, not the theoretical one.<br /><br />So far the anti-war San Francisco demonstrations haven't made the MSM (Fox News did make a quick reference to it). The local stations couldn't avoid showing them because once again, they essentially shut down Market Street, the city's main artery. But the crowds are viciously anti-Obama, much nastier than the worst things we've seen at tea parties. The MSM will report on them, if at all, when they can figure out how to spin this into an Obama victory.<br /><br />This is a war I can actually enjoy. Sheehan is Pelosi's opponent in the primary. I hope they kill each other (metaphorically speaking, of course). Nan's head must be exploding trying to figure out how to handle this mess.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-50757670957732546562009-12-03T01:21:31.711-05:002009-12-03T01:21:31.711-05:00Lawhawk, I agree. We can disagree about the war i...Lawhawk, I agree. We can disagree about the war itself, but no matter what differences we may have, we both agree that what Obama is doing is about the worst possible thing he could be doing. It's very disturbing and I hope we don't end up paying a price for it.<br /><br />I hadn't heard about the Sheehan Brigade, but I'm not surprised, not at all.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-51775663604505402842009-12-03T01:14:11.495-05:002009-12-03T01:14:11.495-05:00Andrew: Sorry, but you did link to your objection...Andrew: Sorry, but you did link to your objections to the war in Afghanistan. Your article was pitch-perfect, and I simply commented on my feeling that Obama's speech was a clear declaration that he really has no intention of winning. You think the war can't be won. I think it could. And never the twain shall meet. But we do agree entirely on the fact that given all the surrounding circumstances, we won't win. I just hope we can get out without so emboldening the terrorists that we all need to build bomb shelters.<br /><br />Meanwhile, the Cindy Sheehan brigades are already marching in huge numbers in San Francisco (with carefully-prepared professionally-lettered signs) less than 24 hours after the speech. Even this half-hearted effort is too much for them. I can't wait to see the first rendering of Obama as Hitler. I need the laugh.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-74545904635980321722009-12-03T00:52:54.100-05:002009-12-03T00:52:54.100-05:00Lawhawk, This is getting too far afield of the pur...Lawhawk, This is getting too far afield of the purpose of my article. Suffice to say I disagree for a myriad of reasons.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-26354214136691057712009-12-02T23:59:49.163-05:002009-12-02T23:59:49.163-05:00Thanks LL. I appreciate that, especially as I'...Thanks LL. I appreciate that, especially as I'm impressed by the work you do as well at your blog.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-39460650799076257222009-12-02T23:57:36.033-05:002009-12-02T23:57:36.033-05:00Succinctly put, Andrew.
Really, it's one of t...Succinctly put, Andrew.<br /><br />Really, it's one of the best you've ever posted, IMHO. That's saying a lot because you do a consistently superior job.LLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05538854359365988863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-67450316179415568832009-12-02T22:45:54.190-05:002009-12-02T22:45:54.190-05:00Andrew: Aw, hooey. The Nazis killing civilians b...Andrew: Aw, hooey. The Nazis killing civilians by lining them up and shooting them is not a valid comparison at all. Try Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and maybe Dresden. Hit their centers of power, and too bad for the hapless civilians. The Nazis were using plain murder of civilians to frighten patriotic civilians into surrender to a conqueror. Lest we forget, that's exactly how the Soviet Union lost in Afghanistan. <br /><br />Do you seriously think the tribal primitives believe for one minute that they are fighting for their beloved Afghanistan? As for fighting for Allah, they believe that the guy with the biggest guns and strongest will to win is on the side of Allah. They couldn't care less what happens to their fellow Afghans in the caves twenty miles away.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-38904559816127751202009-12-02T22:39:03.525-05:002009-12-02T22:39:03.525-05:00Stan, Thanks. It is getting harder and harder to ...Stan, Thanks. It is getting harder and harder to listen to him.<br /><br />It really doesn't bode well for him that no one supports this new plan, except his cabinet.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-42921525194283241502009-12-02T22:33:26.862-05:002009-12-02T22:33:26.862-05:00Lawhawk, The Nazis tried that in France, Yugoslavi...Lawhawk, The Nazis tried that in France, Yugoslavia, Poland, Italy, eastern Russia, et al. and it didn't work.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-1731100020296980562009-12-02T22:24:07.695-05:002009-12-02T22:24:07.695-05:00Great overview, and thanks for doing the heavy lif...Great overview, and thanks for doing the heavy lifting Andrew, my God …I can’t listen to Barry speak. I agree that a Jeffersonian Democracy is out of the question in Afghanistan. Perhaps the way to look at the war, is we have forces forward, next to the time bomb that is Pakistan. That country is a military coo away from Islamo-Fascist getting their hands on nukes. So in the overall War on Terror, perhaps that is part of the adults thinking? My guess it’s something like that, cause you know Barry would love to tuck tail and run, that’s just in his nature. Like Lawhawk said kill the goons while we’re there. Just a thought. This guy is about as inspiring as a shoe, it’s gonna be a long three years, …sheesh!StanHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-92227419175215179962009-12-02T22:20:58.019-05:002009-12-02T22:20:58.019-05:00Andrew: I agree that it may very well be too late...Andrew: I agree that it may very well be too late. I do not agree that we could not have succeeded. We might even be able to yet. But it requires doing something that offends the sensibilities of people who no longer have the heart for or the understanding of war. Find the bastards, and throw everything you have at them. If they can disappear into the population, then reduce the population. Civilian losses would be extremely heavy at first, but they would soon learn not to harbor the enemy. Just about the time that we learned that lesson successfully in Vietnam, Walter Cronkite informed us that we had lost the war and there was no military solution. He was wrong, but we left anyway. <br /><br />Military solutions are very much available for killing the enemy. It's the fear of getting bad press that prevents victory. As for a "solution" to Afghanistan itself, who cares? Let them kill each other with abandon. Not our problem.<br /><br />I said it would require the cooperation of Pakistan. Without it, the war would indeed be lost. But how do we know if we don't try? These primitives understand one thing only. Who is the most powerful warlord. And as it stands, they are pretty sure we aren't that warlord. Our soldiers are willing to do the job, but the cave-dwellers know we'd rather send warriors to prison for giving terrorists cut lips than kill the enemy without regard for crippling rules of engagement.<br /><br />Yes, there is a military solution. And we'll never take it.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-11507194162568420052009-12-02T21:21:20.966-05:002009-12-02T21:21:20.966-05:00Writer X, Thanks!
Your guess is right -- the Euro...Writer X, Thanks!<br /><br />Your guess is right -- the Europeans are already lining up to refuse to send more troops. So much for Obama's silver tongue.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-29517847435667972312009-12-02T20:54:06.514-05:002009-12-02T20:54:06.514-05:00The other thing that he mentioned that was comical...The other thing that he mentioned that was comical was that our allies would send troops too. He mentioned, in fact, that 43 countries had sent troops--something they always laughed about when Bush emphasized it. And I thought Obama promised that the allies would all come running, just because he was our president? After that snoozefest speech, my guess is that most countries will begin to pull out.<br /><br />Excellent analysis, Andrew!Writer Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16505411188186283813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-12163854929039747512009-12-02T19:28:49.962-05:002009-12-02T19:28:49.962-05:00Lawhawk, I don't see a military solution. Bet...Lawhawk, I don't see a military solution. Between the fact that they can vanish into the population, they can hide in millions of square miles of caves and mountains, and they have sanctuary in Pakistan, there just isn't any military victory to be had.<br /><br />If there was a military victory to be had, we would have had it already. We already have 12 soldiers to every one of theirs, and we've been there longer than it took to fight World War II from start to finish.<br /><br />We need a more creative solution.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-87405203871845633052009-12-02T19:23:18.062-05:002009-12-02T19:23:18.062-05:00Patti, LOL! I liked your analysis too! It is dif...Patti, LOL! I liked your analysis too! It is difficult to listen to Obama without feeling sick. I think it's funny that Der Spiegel said his speech made them feel nausea.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-2905099741961349842009-12-02T19:18:43.543-05:002009-12-02T19:18:43.543-05:00wow, you did a much more grown-up analysis than i....wow, you did a much more grown-up analysis than i. well done, sir. i just can't seem to hold it together without burping out an enormous BLECH! when i hear bar speak (or as the case is here, when i read any of his transcripts). his intent is to harm, until we are on our knees begging him to save us. ain't gonna happen. and it seems as if more join the fold of enlightenment daily...pattihttp://www.notawonk.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-10985708015977204492009-12-02T18:56:48.314-05:002009-12-02T18:56:48.314-05:00Andrew: If there's anything a nation needs to...Andrew: If there's anything a nation needs to hear in a war speech, it's full-on inspiration. Obama's speech was about as inspiring as a junior high school lecture on the thinking processes of an ameba.<br /><br />Compare: "England shall never, never surrender!" (Churchill) "We shall fight on to the ultimate victory, so help us God!" (Roosevelt) "Well get out of there starting in 2011." (Obama)<br /><br />There is only one proper exit strategy: Win the damned war! Obama's conflation of Iraq and Afghanistan was foolish and disingenuous. Creating a stable democracy in Iraq was a huge task which has not yet been fully realized. But it was and remains possible, indeed likely. Afghanistan will never be more than a designation on a map. It's not a nation in any real sense, and probably never will be. It's just a collection of warring tribes. Our war strategy should ignore democratization, and concentrate on destroying the Taliban and trapping Al Qaeda in a pincers movement with the cooperation (voluntary or otherwise) of Pakistan, and wipe out every vestige of their ability to plot flying jumbo jets into buildings on American soil. Then we can exit, and leave the Afghan primitives to their warlords and their perpetual mass slaughters.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.com