tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post1848358405109472596..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: 2012 Campaign Weekly Round Up!AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-65346951058059835562011-10-26T12:16:53.933-04:002011-10-26T12:16:53.933-04:00rlaWTX, I thought so too. I especially like the b...rlaWTX, I thought so too. I especially like the bit about the yellow flowers -- "why does it always have to be about color?!" LOL!AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-39984938923334152592011-10-26T10:30:48.483-04:002011-10-26T10:30:48.483-04:00that Cain spot was hysterical! and the comments ar...that Cain spot was hysterical! and the comments are pretty funny (in a pathetic, whiny, I'm-a-liberal-with-no-sense-of-humor kind of way...)rlaWTXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09319344164726195144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-5666949400646395952011-10-25T22:12:25.952-04:002011-10-25T22:12:25.952-04:00tryanmax, "I was conservative before it was c...tryanmax, "I was conservative before it was cool" -- LOL!<br /><br />Paul is definitely a great counter-force to liberalism at the college level. I wish there was a better way to exploit that. I've love to see the next generation be libertarian instead of liberals.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-39059589950243395092011-10-25T22:10:19.514-04:002011-10-25T22:10:19.514-04:00T-Rav, I've been steadily losing interest in t...T-Rav, I've been steadily losing interest in these guys for years as it becomes more and more clear they're just parroting what everybody else is saying and they are never held accountable for being right. Anybody can tell you what they heard, especially if no one ever calls them on it.<br /><br />Plus, it started to dawn on me at some point that <i>they aren't telling you want they think is true</i>, they are telling you <i>what they want you to believe is true</i>. Huge difference.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-79481443801338303492011-10-25T21:51:17.464-04:002011-10-25T21:51:17.464-04:00I guess what I failed to clarify is that the coffe...I guess what I failed to clarify is that the coffee shop I went to is a perennial college/hipster hotspot--demographics usually dominated by the left. It's encouraging to see them growing cynical of entrenched liberalism. <br /><br />Makes me wanna be like, "Nyah, nyah! I was conservative <i>before</i> it was cool!"tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-20441511203219407982011-10-25T21:48:10.294-04:002011-10-25T21:48:10.294-04:00Personally, I lost all interest in what Rove and M...Personally, I lost all interest in what Rove and Morris had to say after they started predicting a 100-seat swing last November, and we got considerably less than that. Why are these people valued as political geniuses?T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-22550552922722710462011-10-25T20:33:32.489-04:002011-10-25T20:33:32.489-04:00Joel, I think the problem for Cain is this:
His c...Joel, I think the problem for Cain is this:<br /><br />His campaign has placed him beyond the process. In other words, he's out there talking with the American people while the establishment is off in its own world. For him to crawl down into the mud with these guys pulls him into the establishment world and not only validates their importance, but also injures his image as something truly outside of the system.<br /><br />That's why I think it's bad for him to play their game.<br /><br />Remember, they win if they can get him off his game.<br /><br />I agree about Morris and Rove too. They are neither loyal nor smart.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-11390780082311084362011-10-25T20:14:07.489-04:002011-10-25T20:14:07.489-04:00Andrew,
I don't think Cain is doing anything ...Andrew,<br /><br />I don't think Cain is doing anything wrong when he gets angry at a yammering head.<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmfkYu4m2jA" rel="nofollow"> Reagan got angry.</a> It help him. Cain is getting in the face of some of the nattering nabobs of negativity. He is voicing our frustration.<br /><br />Also, how many times have we been bombarded by our own people? Instead of getting behind the voters' choice <b>AFTER</b> a primary Karl Rove went on the air and deliberately dissed a Republican candidate. I know he didn't like her, but just which side is Rove on? The Republicans? <br /><br />Dick Morris has yet to prove that he knows anything about the electorate. He hasn't been able to coherently provide anything useful. These and a few others are trotted out each week to tell us what <b>WE</b> are thinking. I used to think that they were intelligent. Now I <b>KNOW</b> better.Joel Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-38060589770494315262011-10-25T19:33:16.504-04:002011-10-25T19:33:16.504-04:00T-Rav, Here's your link: LINK
I think the cha...T-Rav, Here's your link: <a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/25/candidate-republican-voters-would-most-like-to-have-dinner-with-herman-cain-of-course/" rel="nofollow">LINK</a><br /><br />I think the chart in the middle of the page is really telling and accurately reflects what is going on. Cain is clearly running a different kind of campaign. He comes across as (1) POSITIVE, (2) not political, (3) competent and (4) honest.<br /><br />The others don't. They all come across like people who've been in politics too long and think scoring nasty points on their allies is the same thing as telling voters why they should like you.<br /><br />In effect, Cain is in a different league and voters are responding. That is what the establishment can't see -- they are blind to this effect, just like Hollywood is blind to independent films that hit. The establishment is a prisoner of the conventional wisdom.<br /><br />On Perry, that's pretty horrible for a man who decided to charm us all into submission rather than win us over with policy. The problem, IMO, is that he comes across as a snake oil salesman. Dining with him would be like dining with a used car salesman.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-23670431108320417132011-10-25T19:24:12.875-04:002011-10-25T19:24:12.875-04:00T-Rav, I didn't think he could win New Hampshi...T-Rav, I didn't think he could win New Hampshire either, except recent polls have him tied with Romney.<br /><br />I think Romney is weaker within the party than people realize, and Cain is stronger than the Republicans realize because his support is sitting just outside the party, waiting to vote.<br /><br />Also, it's reactions like the one you mention which make me think what I do -- I'm seeing people everywhere who are really inspired by the guy. And I don't mean inspired like Obama inspired liberals -- who saw him as black and electable -- but inspired as in "someone I would totally trust in the office." That is truly rare. And when you see a lot of people coming around to that position, then you know you've got something. It's like buzz for a hit movie... you can't fake it and you often don't know it's really out there until it appears.<br /><br />Moreover, the other candidates are making a huge mistake in that they're trying to mimic him with things like Perry's flat tax. All that does is tell the public who the guy with the real idea is -- it's the same way all those Hondas and Toyotas that copied BMW made BMW seem like it was in a separate league.<br /><br />(P.S. You'll notice, no one bothers to copy Romney's policies or even talk about them.)AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-78551759560858791222011-10-25T19:18:41.600-04:002011-10-25T19:18:41.600-04:00Andrew, I noticed that. Well, if nothing else, it ...Andrew, I noticed that. Well, if nothing else, it gets people talking, doesn't it?<br /><br />Speaking of links, here's an interesting piece over at HotAir:<br /><br />http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/25/candidate-republican-voters-would-most-like-to-have-dinner-with-herman-cain-of-course/<br /><br />This is sort of a cutesy poll and I'm not sure how much significance it really holds, but it's surely ominous for Perry that his personal likeability score is implicitly lower than Mitt's. And that Gallup poll the article brings up is an even bigger one. I recommend reading the whole thing. Tax proposal or no, with numbers like these, Perry's goose may already be cooked.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-2343032810318382892011-10-25T19:08:58.022-04:002011-10-25T19:08:58.022-04:00If you get a chance folks, check out this very str...If you get a chance folks, check out this very strange and yet funny ad for Herman Cain:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSlC7BxmSqY&feature=player_embedded#!" rel="nofollow">LINK</a>AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-89375476722993714482011-10-25T19:07:02.295-04:002011-10-25T19:07:02.295-04:00Andrew, why don't you just keep referring to h...Andrew, why don't you just keep referring to him as Beeker? ;-)<br /><br />On Cain, I really hope that's true. I know that when he was in Memphis a week or two ago, he made a very positive impression on a lot of people, who said the same thing you've been saying--that he's the first guy in a long time that's got them excited to vote FOR, and not AGAINST someone. <br /><br />I don't know if he can win NH, it seems too loyal to Romney. But if he can win Iowa and South Carolina, which seems at least somewhat likely, and makes a strong showing in NH, then I'd say he's gone a long way towards sewing up the nomination.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-40286867602492947772011-10-25T18:50:52.619-04:002011-10-25T18:50:52.619-04:00Bev, That is a job at which Gingrich would excel. ...Bev, That is a job at which Gingrich would excel. He has the knowledge base and the right amount of... for lack of a better word... "aggression" to go to other countries and tell people they better get in line.<br /><br />I want to see the debate too. And it makes me wonder how some of the others would do in that kind of format... like Obama. ;)AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-9201383168180977052011-10-25T18:46:51.440-04:002011-10-25T18:46:51.440-04:00Bachmann, Perry, and Santorum need to regretfully ...Bachmann, Perry, and Santorum need to regretfully bow out. They are all just mudding the waters and making themselves look bad.<br /><br />Romney, Cain, Gingrich, and Paul still have something to add. I can't wait to see a debate between Gingrich and Cain. That should be realy interesting. I'm still rooting for Gingrich for Sect of State...BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-48827140594833342502011-10-25T18:27:06.549-04:002011-10-25T18:27:06.549-04:00T-Rav,
First, I was sorely tempted, but I figured...T-Rav,<br /><br />First, I was sorely tempted, but I figured calling Santorum "the irritable bowel" was enough for one day... my work here is done. :)<br /><br />Secondly, I am of two minds on the lower tier guys. I don't like the idea of excluding people early on because you never know. But at this point, we've got several people who had their moments, peaked and now are crashing -- but more importantly, all they are doing now is throwing bombs trying to get noticed. That's the problem. You don't invite someone to a debate whose goal is to disrupt things to get noticed. It's not good for the party or the other candidates.<br /><br />Third, in terms of Cain. I do honestly think there is more going on than people realize. The establishment sees 25% and thinks "well, that leaves 75% who don't like him" and "each of the others flamed out, so he will fail too." In fact, both Rove and National Review have said Cain has "peaked" and expect that he will now fall away just like Perry and Bachmann.<br /><br />I think that's wrong. To the contrary, I think Cain is gaining momentum both in terms of numbers AND loyalty. I am hearing people everywhere talking about him and they are really pulling for him. That's why I say he's like Reagan, because he is making people believe in him and his ideas. I haven't seen that since Reagan on either side.<br /><br />Right now, I suspect Cain's support is much larger than people realize and it's in the most important group -- people who will vote. I suspect Cain will win both Iowa and New Hampshire by huge margins and that will settle this race.... then the establishment will try to redefine and co-opt him.<br /><br />That's my guess. And I think the establishment will be shocked when Romney does poorly once the voting starts in the primaries.<br /><br />I don't think the Republican public is willing to accept another go-along-to-get-along Republican. I think the natives are restless and they want someone with Tea Party cred.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-49029238299355262992011-10-25T18:14:10.899-04:002011-10-25T18:14:10.899-04:00Andrew, first off, congrats on not taking the bait...Andrew, first off, congrats on not taking the bait there ;-)<br /><br />Secondly, I think excluding the lower-tier candidates is a good idea. Not only is it obvious they're not going to win (well, it might not be obvious to them personally), but their only function in the debates at this point is bomb-throwing. The primaries are less than three months out; it's time we get substantive. Right now, they should probably be restricted to Romney, Cain, Newt, Paul, and Perry (and with Perry doing 6% in the new NYT/CBS poll, he should be pointedly told he's on thin ice himself). <br /><br />On that note, the same poll has Cain at 25% versus Romney's 21%. So, it would seem Cain's stumbles the past week or so haven't significantly hurt him. Apparently, running a positive campaign can make a difference.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-76269079437617133122011-10-25T18:11:08.632-04:002011-10-25T18:11:08.632-04:00Ed, I doubt Perry's plan will get much tractio...Ed, I doubt Perry's plan will get much traction. It will make his supporters happy, but I honestly think he's no longer in play for anyone else, so what he says is not relevant.<br /><br />At this point, I think the only relevant candidates are Romney, Cain, Newt (if Cain slips) and Paul.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-16515012201437145482011-10-25T18:03:30.885-04:002011-10-25T18:03:30.885-04:00Andrew, Thanks for the update! I'd love to see...Andrew, Thanks for the update! I'd love to see the debate too. Let's hope they learn to stream it if they can't get it on television.<br /><br />I was listening to Rush today and Cain had a really good commercial on Rush. Plus, Rush talked about it, which was nice. I don't really remember Rush talking about Perry's flat tax, so I guess that's not the hit Perry thinks it is.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18122308626703654554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-90491553361640026332011-10-25T17:51:17.158-04:002011-10-25T17:51:17.158-04:00Lawhawk, I think it's become counter-productiv...Lawhawk, I think it's become counter-productive. It is clear at this point that most of them have no chance, so why are they still here and why are they allowed to attack the other candidates when the real target it Obama?AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-63787809217530779042011-10-25T17:50:15.494-04:002011-10-25T17:50:15.494-04:00T-Rav, Yeah, Obama and Biden just won't go awa...T-Rav, Yeah, Obama and Biden just won't go away. :(<br /><br /><br />On Bachmann, yep... I mention that in the article. This is nowhere near her first problem with staff or with being honest.<br /><br />I think a Cain/Newt debate would be great. I would even like to see a Cain/Newt/Romney debate just to let our better candidates get out there and show that they actually do have brains rather than letting the MSM attack them with loaded questions and then try to create Jerry Springer hour.<br /><br />I also think they need to start excluding the lower tier. Either the organizers need to do this or the top candidates need to simply need to stop going to those debates. It's not helping to let the kids snipe away at the people we need to examine more closely.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-32418101285076215492011-10-25T17:44:38.495-04:002011-10-25T17:44:38.495-04:00Andrew: Maybe all this jostling and repositioning...Andrew: Maybe all this jostling and repositioning is healthy. But frankly, I'm beginning to see it as chaos. And Obama is hanging in his web like a spider, waiting to pick off the moth that flies into it.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-73681325172574148322011-10-25T17:41:10.630-04:002011-10-25T17:41:10.630-04:00rlaWTX, That would honestly be a hard vote because...rlaWTX, That would honestly be a hard vote because we would have no way to even guess what a Paul presidency would actually look like. He could turn out to be brilliant? Or he might end up getting deposed at 2 weeks. Or anything in between. It's hard to tell.<br /><br />On the other hand, Obama is a proven disaster....<br /><br />Yeah, hard choice, but Paul wins.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-8961150970552854582011-10-25T17:36:53.234-04:002011-10-25T17:36:53.234-04:00the realization that "crazy Paul" would ...the realization that "crazy Paul" would be better than the TOTUS and that I'd actually vote for Paul if necessary is -ummmmmmmmmmm- words fail me...rlaWTXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09319344164726195144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-11822518404419623942011-10-25T17:34:16.762-04:002011-10-25T17:34:16.762-04:00tryanmax, Paul is an interesting guy. I honestly ...tryanmax, Paul is an interesting guy. I honestly think a Paul presidency would be better than people expect -- because he couldn't implement his worst instincts. But my fear is that it would turn into unending feuding with Republicans and eventually mutual destruction.<br /><br />Also, he is a smart man and he has a strong understanding of the Constitution, but the honest truth is that his understanding no longer applies and neither the Congress, the Courts, the public or the bureaucracy would accept version.<br /><br />In terms of the Paulbots, I think many of them frankly are only hearing part of what he says. Many of them think that Paul would install nearly pure libertarianism around the country, but that's not really what he advocates. He's only talking about limiting the Federal Government's power under the 10th Amendment. He has never said states couldn't be draconian -- in fact, he admits the opposite.... but they don't hear that part.<br /><br />Now, all that said, I think Paul has tapped into the frustration people feel at being made patsies by a system that lets the connected steal from the taxpayers. That is a growing anger on left and right and probably fuels a lot of his support.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.com