tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post3295211708478473024..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: Involuntary Charity For AbortionAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-2909688320030353442012-02-08T01:39:07.557-05:002012-02-08T01:39:07.557-05:00Kelly, Yep. I would expect it. Backing down from...Kelly, Yep. I would expect it. Backing down from a bully emboldens them and they will keep trying.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-46759145530225974882012-02-07T22:15:09.346-05:002012-02-07T22:15:09.346-05:00I saw an article which said that liberals are alre...I saw an article which said that liberals are already targeting other charities now. Know that was coming.Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-34105680565208803222012-02-07T16:22:33.193-05:002012-02-07T16:22:33.193-05:00Crispy, I've seen that before too that many of...Crispy, I've seen that before too that many of these charities end up giving very, very little -- like a couple percent to the actual cause because the rest goes to fundraising activities. That strikes me as very wrong.<br /><br />Here's your link: <a href="http://www.smartmoney.com/spend/travel/are-charity-walks-and-races-worth-the-effort-1306536923690/" rel="nofollow">LINK</a>AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-72963984459892292592012-02-07T15:43:50.480-05:002012-02-07T15:43:50.480-05:00Wait! Found it.
http://www.smartmoney.com/spen...Wait! Found it. <br /><br />http://www.smartmoney.com/spend/travel/are-charity-walks-and-races-worth-the-effort-1306536923690/<br /><br />This is a very interesting read.CrispyRicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07302075204880024936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-13010681371776231292012-02-07T15:39:59.288-05:002012-02-07T15:39:59.288-05:00Count me as one of those who had no idea Komen eve...Count me as one of those who had no idea Komen even gave money to PP. Wow.<br /><br />As an aside, I read an interesting article about a year ago (sorry, don't remember where) that talked about how much money it takes to run all these charity events. And people give money, but so little of it ever gets to the actual cause, not because the charity is wasteful, but because it costs so much to do these events.<br /><br />The "pink" things for breast cancer are also one of the worst offenders for ostensibly donating money, but really taking 95% of it in costs and expenses.<br /><br />If you want to give, research carefully and give directly to what you want to fix or cure.CrispyRicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07302075204880024936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-26235218463166311002012-02-07T15:22:54.332-05:002012-02-07T15:22:54.332-05:00T-Rav, True. This is about power, pure and simple...T-Rav, True. This is about power, pure and simple. The article at the link does a good job of outlining that.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-46678875096690804632012-02-07T15:20:02.238-05:002012-02-07T15:20:02.238-05:00To quote the Joker: "It's not about money...To quote the Joker: "It's not about money. It's about sending a message."T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-2394580613663835312012-02-07T15:06:41.844-05:002012-02-07T15:06:41.844-05:00Here's an interesting article about Planned Pa...Here's an interesting article about Planned Parenthood. They are making about $164 million a year performing abortions.<br /><br />And yet, they get bent out of shape over a $700,000 donation?<br /><br />This is about controlling the public, not supporting the organization economically. This is all propaganda.<br /><br />Here's the link: <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204369404577206692451108960.html" rel="nofollow">LINK</a>AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-1632236253038339212012-02-07T14:57:31.761-05:002012-02-07T14:57:31.761-05:00Lawhawk, From what I've seen of the decision, ...Lawhawk, From what I've seen of the decision, there is no way the Supreme Court affirms this decision. It looks like the court basically ignored one side and then said, "well, since we didn't listen to you, you presented nothing and you lose."AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-85836985761973341232012-02-07T13:53:56.876-05:002012-02-07T13:53:56.876-05:00The Prop 8 proponents will appeal to the full Nint...The Prop 8 proponents will appeal to the full Ninth Circuit Court, but I doubt the result will be any different. The three-judge decision is just nonsense. It reminds me of Justice Sandra Day O'Connor babbling on about "our place in the cosmos." Most of us have to live here on earth.<br /><br />This case will be on its way to the US Supreme Court after the Ninth Circuit detour. I don't predict a different result, but I rather expect one.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-50675287849438477992012-02-07T13:29:22.327-05:002012-02-07T13:29:22.327-05:00T-Rav, I've heard the 9th Circuit referred to ...T-Rav, I've heard the 9th Circuit referred to in legal circles as "the acid Circuit" because their rulings are so bad they must be dropping acid.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-1808715889777290292012-02-07T13:28:23.727-05:002012-02-07T13:28:23.727-05:00I saw that about Prop. 8. The ruling looks ridicu...I saw that about Prop. 8. The ruling looks ridiculous.<br /><br /><i>"Proposition 8 serves no purpose, and has no effect, other than to lessen the status and human dignity of gays and lesbians in California, and to officially reclassify their relationships and families as inferior to those of opposite-sex couples."</i><br /><br />Uh, no, there is a purpose here and it's related to all kinds of things like classifying benefits.<br /><br />This was always headed to the Supreme Court and that will be the real test. I suspect this court will reverse, especially if they are hanging their hat on the idea that this had no purpose.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-56054675131022059272012-02-07T13:25:48.165-05:002012-02-07T13:25:48.165-05:00Ed, it's the 9th Circuit Court! What's not...Ed, it's the 9th Circuit Court! What's not to be surprised over?!<br /><br />I haven't read the ruling up yet, but from a cursory glance, the reasoning looks pretty @#$%ty. Again, very surprising.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-73241676447869238912012-02-07T13:25:45.921-05:002012-02-07T13:25:45.921-05:00Thanks Ed. I think it does highlight their view o...Thanks Ed. I think it does highlight their view of money: their money is their money and your money is their money and it's an outrage if you don't "voluntarily" hand over your money to them.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-23852936169452102712012-02-07T13:21:28.509-05:002012-02-07T13:21:28.509-05:00Also, the appeals court has struck down propositio...Also, the appeals court has struck down proposition 8 in California. Why am I not surprised?Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18122308626703654554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-66838322049572686492012-02-07T13:20:40.936-05:002012-02-07T13:20:40.936-05:00Excellent article Andrew. I think you've hit ...Excellent article Andrew. I think you've hit the nail on the head about how liberalism works and how they think they have the right to tell you what you can do with your money.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18122308626703654554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-82309569448972648742012-02-07T12:45:24.446-05:002012-02-07T12:45:24.446-05:00Terry, Agreed. And that should be the real focus ...Terry, Agreed. And that should be the real focus here -- this highlights (again) what's wrong with liberalism. This was basically a powergrab aimed at forcing a charity to give money to liberal causes.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-52040209873410643982012-02-07T12:42:48.807-05:002012-02-07T12:42:48.807-05:00I think it's despicable that people like Pelos...I think it's despicable that people like Pelosi attacked Komen over this.ScyFyterryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12635510395140863437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-70325228330109150122012-02-07T12:22:00.362-05:002012-02-07T12:22:00.362-05:00Bev, I recall the Perot thing. I think others hav...Bev, I recall the Perot thing. I think others have tried that too and lost in court, but I don't recall any specific examples. In any event, it's stunning that they would accept money for a specific purpose and then try to divert the money! To me, that's basically fraud.<br /><br />On the fungibility idea, the government is big on this. For example, they will pay for certain things but not others. So they make a huge show of forcing you to create separate accounting pools and everything. Only, it's nonsense because the money they do give just frees up money which can then be used on the prohibited activity. It's a publicity shell game.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-80013834192496968542012-02-07T12:13:23.565-05:002012-02-07T12:13:23.565-05:00rlaWTX, When I worked for Club Fed, they brought a...rlaWTX, When I worked for Club Fed, they brought around donation letters each year where you could check off whoever you wanted to donate to and how much. I can tell you that the conservatives I knew talked very openly about which charities supported what and why you should or should not support them. So charities need to be very careful about stepping into these kinds of decisions because people do consider it.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-10357474664721981862012-02-07T12:10:32.356-05:002012-02-07T12:10:32.356-05:00Bev, Bloomberg really is a turd. Has he ever not ...Bev, Bloomberg really is a turd. Has he ever not sided with the wrong side?<br /><br />This is a bad spot for Komen, but it's one of their own making. They never should have started giving to PP in the first place. When you give to a controversial organization, it can only lead to trouble. And that's exactly what's happened here.<br /><br />Now they've made themselves the target of liberal bullies. And by surrendering they have only made it worse for themselves because they've encouraged the bullies to keep trying. So any changes will be much harder after this.<br /><br />I would recommend that it would be best for them to bite the bullet and cut the funding and realize that it will be forgotten about within a few weeks than to keep this "they fund abortion" cloud hanging over their heads.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-22223270043348509632012-02-07T12:08:40.963-05:002012-02-07T12:08:40.963-05:00Oh, and the "fungibility" of funds in no...Oh, and the "fungibility" of funds in non-profit organizations is legendary - not just PP. <br /><br />There's the Perot/Dallas Arboretum debacle of 1988 where Perot gave $10Million to refurbish the Dallas Arboretum. He gave money for a specific grand plan that was later downsized after the check cleared. Perot asked for his money back because he said he paid for a plan they said they could do for what he donated. That sent a shock wave through the fundraising community! How could he do that?!? He donated that money fair and square! It's our money now to use as we see fit! <br /><br />It can be a curse too - The Red Cross cannot use funds that have been donated for a specific purpose. So if you give money for "Haitian Relief" it can ONLY be used for that purpose. It was a problem when they raised huge amounts of money for OKC bombing in 1996, but didn't really have anything to spend the donations on because there were very few displaced persons. However they could not use the funds for anything else. I think they had to get special permission from Congress to use the excess for general disaster relief. FYI - The Red Cross is mandated by Act of Congress, but no funded by tax dollars.BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-81284518528236327112012-02-07T11:49:40.731-05:002012-02-07T11:49:40.731-05:00(my comment was RE "fungibility" and tha...(my comment was RE "fungibility" and that conservatives understand the concept)rlaWTXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09319344164726195144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-79038553867943028712012-02-07T11:48:38.600-05:002012-02-07T11:48:38.600-05:00Every year there is a huge local United Way fund d...Every year there is a huge local United Way fund drive [and the City of Midland employees can give directly]. United Way began publishing exactly how much money went where (esp. none to the local PP) and how much to the national level UW. They emphasize the teensy tiny amount that goes national because of the opposition to the national group's policies... so the local keep getting local money... {years ago when my dad was working for the city, UW was still being hard-headed about PP, and they had many employees who wouldn't give - stuck together against the "100%" push. I guess they learned their lessons...]rlaWTXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09319344164726195144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-24561420531825694592012-02-07T11:42:16.354-05:002012-02-07T11:42:16.354-05:00You should rename this "Damned if you do, dam...You should rename this "Damned if you do, damned if you don't"<br /><br />All this a great shame. Nancy Brinker's sister Susan B. Komen died of breast cancer in 1980 at the age of 36. Nancy Brinker honored her sister by trying to save other women from her sister's fate. As that the foundation's headquarters are in Dallas, I have known about this organization since it's birth in the early '80's.<br /><br />They have raised billions over the years for research and education and now they are pilloried because they didn't want to align themselves with organizations under investigation by the state/fed government for criminal activity.<br /><br />Yes, they are a "brand" and spread their message by putting pink ribbons on everything. Women in NY are upset, but Komen Foundation does not even GIVE money to PP in NY. They are being extorted BECAUSE they are high profiled and have been successful in gettign their message out.<br /><br />However, all that being said, they have the right as a private foundation to do with their money what they want and if they want to fund Planned Parenthood they have that right. If they think that it is important that women have access to abortions and they want to donate funds to PP for that purpose it is their right. But as we all know, that is not what they were funding to begin with, and that is not why they pulled the limited funding.<br /><br />Oh, and our Mayor Bloomberg jump it into the fray by donating $250K to PP. Cheap billionaire - he should have donated the full $700,000...BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.com