tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post3306568173932074143..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: The Verdict's In--Let's RiotAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-13063967847026602832010-07-24T14:09:20.417-04:002010-07-24T14:09:20.417-04:00Anon: I spent many of my years in practice as a cr...Anon: I spent many of my years in practice as a criminal defense attorney, but that doesn't mean I ever joined the public defenders and ACLU attorneys who actually believe their clients are paragons of virtue. My personal friends were more likely to be prosecutors and cops. I had many personal friends who are or were cops, as well as many who were clients. I don't live in the liberal dream world, and I don't have either the guts or the restraint necessary to be a good police officer.<br /><br />So I agree with much of what you say. What is important to remember here was my emphasis on the fact that Mehserle didn't have the training or experience that an L.A. police officer gets. A good tasing was probably in order so that the police (BART) could regain the necessary control of the situation. But assuming Mehserle was telling the truth, it was negligent of him to use a deadly weapon because he made a mistake and couldn't distinguish it instantly from his gun. That doesn't sound like intentional murder to me at all. But it does sound a lot like negligent homicide, which is essentailly what he was convicted of. <br /><br />All of my sympathies are with law-enforcement, and the job gets tougher every day. That said, my opinion of the result in this criminal trial doesn't change. As for the lawsuit, Grant's family should be awarded about $5.00 in damages.<br /><br />My New York City cop friends are astounded at what California cops are required to put up with and how much verbal and occasional physical abuse they tolerate from lowlife and frequently dangerous thugs. Still, in this case, the inexperienced BART cop was in no physical danger, the victim was fully retrained, and deadly force was simply not an option.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-41035669870295637382010-07-24T01:52:25.986-04:002010-07-24T01:52:25.986-04:00lawHawkRFD, as a former LAPD officer, it was never...lawHawkRFD, as a former LAPD officer, it was never taught to us. With that being said, if we detained a foul mouth punk like Grant, who Clearly sat up in defiance and disrespectful. We'd would simply stick a muzzle to the back of their neck... nothing like COLD steel to SHUT UP a smart mouth punk up. <br /><br />My money's on Mehserle, he might have thought that might work, since tazzing Grant didn't and he stood-up to either resist more or blot... who knows!<br /><br />Simply put, IF OSCAR GRANT HAD SAT HIS SKINNY A** DOWN AND SHUT UP, HE'D BE ALIVE!<br /><br />OR MAYBE Mehserle WOULD BE INVESTIGATING HIS HOMICIDE, GRANT LAYING IN A CHALK LINE with a stolen 9mm by his side.<br /><br />COPS DON'T NEED SENSITIVITY TRAINING, THEY NEED TO LEARN EBONICS. <br /><br />Cities need to stand up to these SUE happy thugs, who taunt officers into situations were they lose their cool and slip. How many times did a suspect, taunt me... "BEAT ME YOU RACIST WHITE MOTHER F**KER, I NEED MY PAYDAY!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-64987996432022343982010-07-10T18:47:24.075-04:002010-07-10T18:47:24.075-04:00HamiltonsGhost: That would have required Glover t...HamiltonsGhost: That would have required Glover to put down his six-pack at home in San Francisco and travel all the way over to Oakland (about twelve minutes by car, ten on BART if you catch your train right away). He's probably waiting for the sentencing so he can have a double-sided picket sign with cop-killer Mumia abu-Jamal on one side and Oscar Grant on the other.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-44883890815162983402010-07-10T18:41:20.200-04:002010-07-10T18:41:20.200-04:00Lawhawk--So when do the celebrities show up to joi...Lawhawk--So when do the celebrities show up to join the fun? I fully expected to see Danny Glover mugging for the cameras.HamiltonsGhosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07777000856977635480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-25731965239288241152010-07-10T16:21:15.081-04:002010-07-10T16:21:15.081-04:00Hey, Jesse (I mean Andrew): You forgot to say &qu...Hey, Jesse (I mean Andrew): You forgot to say "increase the peace." There is a major group in every big city just waiting for an excuse to riot over some imagined wrong when it's actually just an excuse to commit mayhem and loot. In Oakland, they'll riot over an insufficiently warm handshake.<br /><br />The worst part is, that no matter what the civil authorities do, it's a lose-lose situation. If they give in (the usual result), they've put band-aids on a cancer. If they attempt to restore order and protect private property, they're Nazi fascist oppressive racists.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-63653349156651916612010-07-10T14:03:59.295-04:002010-07-10T14:03:59.295-04:00Riots like this are the hoped-for consequence of t...Riots like this are the hoped-for consequence of the race baiters who have been working hard to convince blacks that the rest of America is out to get them and that they can't get "justice."<br /><br />And before I really believe that this is genuine outrage, someone needs to explain to me why this same community riots when their sports teams win championships?<br /><br />If they want me to care, then it's time that their leaders stood and said "stop rioting, stop looting." Let's make our grievances known in non-violent ways.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-71516106141666893362010-07-10T13:50:19.976-04:002010-07-10T13:50:19.976-04:00Stan: When the rioters broke in an looted stores ...Stan: When the rioters broke in an looted stores back in the 60s during the Watts riots, there was a certain amount of crazy logic to it. There was a truly oppressed black populace in South Central Los Angeles that was poverty-stricken and targeted regularly by bigoted white cops. Those times and those financial conditions have changed immensely. Then it was about taking things that had been denied them. Now it's about, well, just taking things that don't belong to them. If this were truly about oppression this time, why go after the merchants? It would be much more logical to burn down city hall or a court building. But of course, in Oakland at least, that's where the liberals and radicals do their business, and that would mean no more cooperation and complicity in rioting from the government.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-51354309247071166472010-07-10T13:31:34.234-04:002010-07-10T13:31:34.234-04:00I always find it interesting how the racist, shoe ...I always find it interesting how the racist, shoe stores, electronic stores, and liquor stores, are the favorite target of the righteous rioters, while sticking it to the man…power to the people! <br /><br />The entire episode is tragic, however it doesn’t justify riots.StanHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-29636466072292255472010-07-10T13:09:47.275-04:002010-07-10T13:09:47.275-04:00CalFed: That's a tough one to answer. Brown ...CalFed: That's a tough one to answer. Brown is a pie-in-the-sky liberal who lives in a dream world that has never actually existed. But he's also a cold and calculating politician. He'll wait to see which way the wind blows before deciding whether to comment on the case and/or the riots. My best guess at the moment is that unlike Holder, Brown will decide that supporting the rioters is a losing position, but not wanting to lose his black constituency, he'll cluck-cluck about the horrible events, make some Zen type of press release, then drop the issue like a hot potato. He may make noises about conducting an Attorney General's investigation, but I doubt that anything real will be done.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-54062026572484353142010-07-10T13:00:24.186-04:002010-07-10T13:00:24.186-04:00LawHawk. Since Jerry Brown was the mayor of Oakla...LawHawk. Since Jerry Brown was the mayor of Oakland, now the California Attorney General and the Democratic nominee for Governor, how long will it be before he jumps into this case and starts playing Holder-Lite?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284025222779154243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-2909183177693985792010-07-10T12:33:47.641-04:002010-07-10T12:33:47.641-04:00I should probably add that the picture accompanyin...I should probably add that the picture accompanying the article was passed around by the family and the attorneys for Grant's "estate." It shows Grant holding his baby by one of his girlfriends. It's also one of the few photos of Grant that wasn't a mug shot or an arrest scene photo.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-34384425959856663252010-07-10T12:19:52.394-04:002010-07-10T12:19:52.394-04:00Joel: Paris is enjoying a regular outbreak of rio...Joel: Paris is enjoying a regular outbreak of riots in the banlieues with their large Muslim minorities (which are majorities in some of those "suburbs"), so they have their own problems. And the fun of rioting has been spreading to places as far away from Paris as Calais and Marseilles. Most of the time it's just broken store fronts, a little looting, beating up an occasional Jew, and a lot of setting fire to cars. But the fad is catching on.<br /><br />The background on the Mehserle/Grant debacle is that Grant and his thug buddies had been pushing people around (especially old white people) on a BART train. The incidents were called in to the BART police, who were waiting for the train at the next (Oakland) exit. The BART police detained then arrested Grant for disorderly conduct and possible assault and battery. He was very physical and vocal about not wanting to be arrested. Most cops not only expect that, but they prepare for it. Mehserle had neither the experience nor the training to handle the situation, and after Grant was put into restraints and put face down on the platform, he continued to shout obscenities and make threats he couldn't possibly carry out. As irritating as that would be, most cops, particularly Oakland cops, would simply chalk it up to routine and ignore it. Mehserle didn't, and (here's where the testimony diverges) in an overreaction to Grant's behavior, decided to tase him to shut him up. Mehserle claimed he mistook his gun for his taser, and intended only to quiet Grant. Instead, he put a shot into his back, which resulted in Grant's death.<br /><br />I didn't buy Mehserle's explanation, nor did the jury. But there was enough doubt about what his actual intent was to convince the jury that the intent was to shut Grant up, not to kill him (by use of the taser or the gun).<br /><br />All of that said, the process worked, a conviction was obtained, the law was imposed, and the rioters-in-waiting weren't satisfied. So, let's toss out the system and the rule of law and impose "justice" by threat and riot. It worked in the Rodney King case, and there are already signs at the Holder Justice Department that it's going to work this time as well. This is another wound in the body of ordered liberty. Past DOJ's have caved in to the mob. This one appears to be in cahoots with it.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-77181680059350435852010-07-10T10:06:56.146-04:002010-07-10T10:06:56.146-04:00LawHawk,
Pandering to the mob.... Stupid. All thi...LawHawk,<br /><br />Pandering to the mob.... Stupid. All this does is make it popular for riots. The last time a country was engulfed in riots was France and Bonaparte solved that problem with grapeshot. <br /><br />It also resulted in an emperor for France. I don't know the particulars and I come in right now with no knowledge of the inciting episode. I do know that mobs don't rule, they can't. All they can do is destroy. Giving in or pandering is tatamount to abdicating power to the barbarians at the gate.<br /><br />Scharzennegger should call out the National Guard prior to the sentence being read. Since he is a girly-man, I don't expect anything.Joel Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.com