tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post3380801895374995473..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: From The Golden State To The Garden StateAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-57771911297804290692010-03-23T12:21:11.049-04:002010-03-23T12:21:11.049-04:00StanH: I know all about taking it to the streets....StanH: I know all about taking it to the streets. LOL. One of my 60s radical friends said "we changed the world, all right, we really screwed it up." That was my cautionary warning about taking action that is probably not necessary and might backfire. But anything we do to zap these bastards is a good thing.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-44714074859603333142010-03-23T09:52:55.365-04:002010-03-23T09:52:55.365-04:00Win, lose, or draw, the effect of the recall puts ...Win, lose, or draw, the effect of the recall puts the left on notice that even in the bluest of states your political ass is not safe. Everything has unintended consequences, especially apathy. Finally conservative America is awake, and we need the zeal, the taking it too the streets attitude that is so needed on our side.StanHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-30000067508532798592010-03-22T22:31:43.559-04:002010-03-22T22:31:43.559-04:00Skinners2Cents: Restraint of trade and interferen...Skinners2Cents: Restraint of trade and interference with contract along with the power to regulate interstate commerce will all have to be balanced at the Supreme Court. Along with the question of mandating the purchase of insurance, these will all likely come before the court in one form or another. I'm going to have to see the briefs and check the citations and precedents before I would even attempt to draw a conclusion. Let me simply say that I think the A.G.'s cases have considerable merit, but that's no guarantee of a win.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-8184862682278104782010-03-22T22:26:16.627-04:002010-03-22T22:26:16.627-04:00CalFed: It hasn't all been bad. If the peopl...CalFed: It hasn't all been bad. If the people had limited all state taxes the way they controlled property taxes (Prop 13--the Jarvis Initiative), California wouldn't be bankrupt now.<br /><br />As for New Jersey, I know enough about their system to know that even if the recall succeeds, one of their old political party hacks is most likely to be the winning candidate whichever party prevails. They don't have California's advantage of putting a lot of "people's choice" candidates on the ballot. In two years' time, the base will have had more time to influence the party bosses than they would now. What the Old Guard Republicans might be able to sneak past the voters of New Jersey in a hurry is far less likely to happen in the regular course of electoral events, given the current mood.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-1878299028449497292010-03-22T22:17:58.430-04:002010-03-22T22:17:58.430-04:00Interesting situation they've got going on in ...Interesting situation they've got going on in New Jersey. Being from CA all I can say to NJ is be careful what you wish for. Although at least they've got a Governor that's being honest about that states fiscal situation. That was refreshing to see Christie's speech to the state legislators. <br /><br />I've got a SCOTUS question. When this horrendous nightmare of legislation makes it's way to the Supreme Court could the court also rule that stopping businesses and individuals from buying health insurance across state lines is also unconstitutional? You know perhaps kill many birds with one stone?Skinners 2 Centshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06637561284569976324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-9914622064999482592010-03-22T22:17:37.628-04:002010-03-22T22:17:37.628-04:00Bev: Now remember, we are not supposed to give in...Bev: Now remember, we are not supposed to give into despair. The Lord works in mysterious ways his wonders to perform. There are plenty of noble causes yet to be pursued, and the dreams of the Founders are among them. I also think the lost battle yesterday may have shown us we have a few knights ready to fight for those dreams.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-27743234571784380972010-03-22T22:07:29.041-04:002010-03-22T22:07:29.041-04:00LawHawk. I sometimes think we Californians have h...LawHawk. I sometimes think we Californians have had too much experience with direct democracy in the form of initiatives, referenda, and recalls. "It looked good on paper" could best describe some of the results. And Arnold Schwarzenegger is a perfect example of "be careful what you vote for, you just might get it.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284025222779154243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-54454628750416320152010-03-22T22:03:28.657-04:002010-03-22T22:03:28.657-04:00Dear G-d, no more 'noble causes'. There i...Dear G-d, no more 'noble causes'. There is nothing left that is noble.BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-78665619712465252732010-03-22T21:58:40.044-04:002010-03-22T21:58:40.044-04:00HamiltonsGhost: That's the problem, it's ...HamiltonsGhost: That's the problem, it's likely to get appealed. LOL I think I'm probably suffering from an abundance of caution, considering the revenge I want to exact after yesterday's vote.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-34076682590280012282010-03-22T21:54:14.987-04:002010-03-22T21:54:14.987-04:00Lawhawk--I see your point about not getting Christ...Lawhawk--I see your point about not getting Christie involved in a political spat. But the idea of ousting a liberal who thinks he's safe for another two years is really appealing.HamiltonsGhosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07777000856977635480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-58259243099405852992010-03-22T20:13:00.599-04:002010-03-22T20:13:00.599-04:00Andrew: I agree that a good politician can naviga...Andrew: I agree that a good politician can navigate political difficulties. I just feel that there are enough of them already without creating another one. Either way, Christie does seem like the kind of guy who can handle the task. And I'm sure there are savvy politicos in N.J. who could make something positive out of the recall attempt. "Noble cause" sort of thing.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-68395794495820236712010-03-22T20:10:07.614-04:002010-03-22T20:10:07.614-04:00WriterX: I'm not familiar enough with the pol...WriterX: I'm not familiar enough with the politicos in New Jersey to know of any potential candidates. I was amazed to find out during the gubernatorial election that there even is such a thing as a moderate/conservative in Joisy. But I tend to agree that it would be better to save the political piss and vinegar until election time.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-7942988756940609962010-03-22T19:58:11.737-04:002010-03-22T19:58:11.737-04:00Lawhawk, You're right about it putting Christi...Lawhawk, You're right about it putting Christie into a bit of a bind. But politics is about navigating hard decisions. Maybe he can turn it around and amplify the problems Menendez will face?AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-26530191106527003822010-03-22T19:44:14.363-04:002010-03-22T19:44:14.363-04:00Recalls never seem to go very well, although it...Recalls never seem to go very well, although it's hard to blame people for trying, especially when you're represented by someone like Menendez. Is there a Republican candidate emerging already who can challenge Menendez? Maybe supporting that candidate is a better use of energy and resources than moving forward on a recall.Writer Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16505411188186283813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-59919907912740521852010-03-22T19:38:33.536-04:002010-03-22T19:38:33.536-04:00Joel: The Tea Party movement has little to worry ...Joel: The Tea Party movement has little to worry about. The problem that I see is for a candidate who runs later as a Republican conservative. The Tea Party movement will come out OK either way. But the candidate could be left with the quandary of disavowing the endorsement of people who just lost a recall election two years earlier or accepting it and risking the liberals attacking him for being supported by a movement that "launched an unsuccessful vendetta against a sitting Senator." It is important to remember that our outreach isn't to other conservatives. It's to moderates and independents.<br /><br />My sympathies are entirely with the recall movement, but the cautious amateur politician in me says that we'll get rid of a lot of Menendezes in the next two election cycles without needing to get involved in complicated legal maneuvers and activities which distract from the main purpose--electing conservatives.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-886302031750295402010-03-22T19:26:55.494-04:002010-03-22T19:26:55.494-04:00Andrew: If this "outs" Menendez two yea...Andrew: If this "outs" Menendez two years hence at election time, I'm all for it. I just have some reservations about putting Governor Christie in the middle of a contentious legal battle that could sidetrack his reforms. Other than that, anything that gets the liberal/progressive credentials of a Congress critter in front of an angry public is good in my book.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-86917036986083370042010-03-22T19:26:46.111-04:002010-03-22T19:26:46.111-04:00LawHawk,
I agree with your assessment. Hopefully ...LawHawk,<br /><br />I agree with your assessment. Hopefully it doesn't really shut-down the New Jersey Tea-Partiers.Joel Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-40895845566817449542010-03-22T19:19:53.602-04:002010-03-22T19:19:53.602-04:00You know Lawhawk, this may not pass constitutional...You know Lawhawk, this may not pass constitutional muster (as you say) but I think politically this is great no matter what. This will wound Menendez before he faces re-election 2012, which should be an anti-liberal year, because it will strike people once again that the government will protect it's own against the electorate.<br /><br />Nice article, good analysis.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.com