tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post4001408716831929134..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: FDA Halts Executions. The FDA?AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-86169404260332603082011-04-24T11:19:48.759-04:002011-04-24T11:19:48.759-04:00Kosh: I fully respect your point of view. You to...Kosh: I fully respect your point of view. You took an oath, and you are honoring it. I wouldn't have it otherwise. But at least for awhile, the conflict between the physician's oath and the requirement that a physician administer the lethal injection caused a problem in Texas. It was a ploy from the left, which in actuality was only to nullify the death penalty and had little to do with the oath. The same people who support abortion on demand will go to any lengths to prevent the execution of adult murderers. Their selective morality bothers me a great deal more than a doctor holding to his or her oath.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-43280751130828774792011-04-21T17:52:29.080-04:002011-04-21T17:52:29.080-04:00Little late to this topic. Although I favor the d...Little late to this topic. Although I favor the death penalty in limited uses, as a physician I don't believe anyone in our profession should be involved. There should be separation. The state wants to execute someone, fine they should find the person to do it. You don't need a doctor to push the button.<br /><br />To illustrate how insane this is there was a lawyer who was defending the actions by the DEA who stated, and I am paraphrasing, we don't want anyone to get hurt by getting an unapproved drug.Koshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-11599621098449433802011-04-20T17:15:54.607-04:002011-04-20T17:15:54.607-04:00rlaWTX: You're problem is easier than mine. ...rlaWTX: You're problem is easier than mine. First we'd have to secede from the union, then Kern County (along with a few others) would have to secede from California. Texas just seems to have it better than the rest of us all the way around.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-55818676097921974272011-04-20T16:04:47.733-04:002011-04-20T16:04:47.733-04:00Secession, anyone??? Then the Federal government w...Secession, anyone??? Then the Federal government won't be able to actively work against the will of the people and the States...rlaWTXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09319344164726195144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-53126026870336264292011-04-20T14:20:00.549-04:002011-04-20T14:20:00.549-04:00T_Rav: Edward II's favorite boyfriend was Pie...T_Rav: Edward II's favorite boyfriend was Piers Gaveston, who was banished from the kingdom by Longshanks rather than tossed from the battlements <i>a la</i> Braveheart. It's pretty clear what his preferences were, even though he did have four children by his wife, Isabella of France. At least one of them was rumored to be fathered by Edward I. As for the younger Edward's method of death, I'll resist the temptation to say that he died with a smile on his face.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-21544180060145079412011-04-20T14:09:57.291-04:002011-04-20T14:09:57.291-04:00Limey Libertarian: You are so right. Some people...Limey Libertarian: You are so right. Some people are so irredeemable and their crimes so horrific that removing them from this world is the only genuine solution. <br /><br />As for hanging, if used properly and scientifically, it is quick and painless. Unfortunately, hanging can also be used as a final torture (strangling, rather than breaking the neck/spinal cord), and that's the picture too many people have in their minds. In addition, even the non-torture but quick hanging had a bad history as well. Improperly tied knots and miscalculation of weight sometimes produced the additional horror of beheading. That is all avoidable today with some simple calculations and a properly-tied knot. Still, as I mentioned, it's not pretty. <br /><br />BUT, unlike public hangings up to the near-middle twentieth century, executions are largely "private," with viewing limited to a very restricted list of required or permitted witnesses. I've managed to live a very long life without having to see, or having access to seeing an execution in the California gas chamber. And there have been hundreds in that time period. I think that's a good thing. Making a public spectacle of anyone's death demeans us. It also adds fuel to the opponents' arguments that it's not a deterrent. But it's inarguable that it's a deterrent to at least one person--the one executed.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-34728043471022989992011-04-20T08:56:53.494-04:002011-04-20T08:56:53.494-04:00Jed, I think you're thinking of Edward Longsha...Jed, I think you're thinking of Edward Longshanks son (formally King Edward II). And I do know exactly what you're talking about. For those who don't, well--let's just say he was widely known to be gay, so most people thought the manner of his execution Jed alluded to was very clever.T_Ravnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-19612678109266388642011-04-20T05:45:44.364-04:002011-04-20T05:45:44.364-04:00Pity Albert Pierrepoint is not still around, could...Pity Albert Pierrepoint is not still around, could have given you guys a few tips on how to hang a man (Look him up on the internets). We got rid of the death penalty in the early 60's in the UK, such a shame. There are some people that cannot be rehabilitated and some that are just plain evil and can never be released. Why lock them up for the rest of their lives, surely that is a 'cruel and unusual punishment' ?<br /><br />Interesting BBC documentary by Michael Portillo, an ex Conservative MP all about the most effective and humane ways to execute people. Part of it on You tube if you want to watch. Surprising conclusions on the most humane formLimeyLibertariannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-86683713615047757582011-04-20T00:13:53.798-04:002011-04-20T00:13:53.798-04:00Andrew: At $25/hr. plus perks, benefits, free med...Andrew: At $25/hr. plus perks, benefits, free medical care and massive retirement benefits, there's no dearth of union carpenters. Now whether they actually know how to pound nails is another story entirely. Which is why we need four times as many inspectors as carpenters. It's called socialism. LOLLawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-54378230519524581322011-04-19T23:29:18.694-04:002011-04-19T23:29:18.694-04:00Hawk, You're assuming they would actually do t...Hawk, You're assuming they would actually do the work. I'm thinking they would import gallows from Mexico and just bill us a ton to inspect them.... wouldn't want them to be unsafe and somehow kill someone.<br /><br /><i>** groan **</i><br /><br /><br />Bev, I like the idea of shipping criminals and terrorists to the homes of people who say they pose no threat. In fact, I'm all for closing Gitmo so long as Pelosi, Obama and Biden all agree to take a couple in. Talk about a win-win!AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-39922357278055044572011-04-19T19:34:17.576-04:002011-04-19T19:34:17.576-04:00Tennessee: And that of course is why we don't...Tennessee: And that of course is why we don't allow individuals the power of life and death over their fellow human beings. We give that power to the law, and highly restrict its use. I know I'd be happy to heat up the poker for KSM, or prepare the field for drawing and quartering. But a civilized society doesn't do those things. For the families and friends of the victims of the scum, revenge may or may not enter into the formula. But for society, it must be the ultimate punishment, neither more nor less. But even though I do support the current limitations on the number of crimes for which the death penalty is allowable, I find the alleged "pain" concept to be spurious and disingenuous. As several of us have now agreed, hang 'em. Using a medical procedure death penalty that is tantamount to putting down a family dog who is beyond medical help feels too much like assisted suicide and too little like punishment.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-72130185354688101442011-04-19T19:23:28.976-04:002011-04-19T19:23:28.976-04:00Tehachapi Tom: It's a question we've prob...Tehachapi Tom: It's a question we've probably all asked ourselves, but I suppose somewhere along the line there has been a planned execution that was halted because of some kind of reaction from the sentenced person, and they probably asked him. The body, however, does all sorts of strange things that resemble pain while sleeping and it doesn't mean the person is actually in pain.<br /><br />My simple question is "what's wrong with morphine or heroin?" Every junkie has described the euphoria and warmth they succeeded in attaining as they shot up. Except the ones who OD'd, of course. They're dead. That works, obviously.<br /><br />It's all baloney, of course. I've had multiple major surgeries, and once that anesthesia kicked in (in very short order) they could have cut me in half with a rusty butter knife and I wouldn't have known the difference. Any reputable medical professional will tell you that you're as close to death as you will ever be when they put you under for surgery. And that's <i>before</i> they start cutting.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-89569357389883357912011-04-19T19:13:30.244-04:002011-04-19T19:13:30.244-04:00Bev: The mistake the states made was importing th...Bev: The mistake the states made was importing the drugs from Britain. If they had imported them from China instead, the administration wouldn't have gone after them, and the person sentenced to the execution would get an extra dose of lead just for good measure.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-21174062735830471012011-04-19T19:11:06.614-04:002011-04-19T19:11:06.614-04:00Andrew: And think of all the union public employe...Andrew: And think of all the union public employees we could put to work building the scaffolds. More jobs created or saved.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-15069261075748615262011-04-19T19:09:53.569-04:002011-04-19T19:09:53.569-04:00Bev: I know you were kidding, but it's the li...Bev: I know you were kidding, but it's the line of reasoning that I've come to accept as the basis for the death penalty--proportionality. If someone shoots another person for criminal gain, we wouldn't shoot the perpetrator, but we'd plan to give him a very stiff sentence as <i>punishment</i>. For those who have committed the kind of crime for which the highly-limited death penalty is available, I support the final penalty. Some crimes are so inhuman and strike so deeply at the fabric of society that they require permanent removal of the perpetrator from the company of his fellow man.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-28787545784154281912011-04-19T19:05:05.865-04:002011-04-19T19:05:05.865-04:00Patti: I hadn't noticed that the Obama admini...Patti: I hadn't noticed that the Obama administration is that power-hungry. LOL Sure enough, he and Holder along with the gang from Chicago use agencies, then back them up with the Justice Department. It's rather frightening. But it's all good-natured fun in the name of the living Constitution.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-27801377989801787332011-04-19T18:17:26.890-04:002011-04-19T18:17:26.890-04:00Like you, Hawk, I am conflicted over the death pen...Like you, Hawk, I am conflicted over the death penalty. Like abortion, it is an issue where there are vexing questions on all sides of the issue. As it turns out, I am somewhere near Bev's thinking these days. I have to give the medieval English credit where credit is due. They had a certain flair. By example, I give you the death of the son of the English King, Edward "longshanks." I forget the name, but in Braveheart, he was portrayed as quite the fop.<br /><br />Propriety prevents my mention of his execution on this family oriented and tasteful blog. However, if your prurient interests permit, I'm sure you can quickly check it out on-line. Let's just say it involves a five foot long metal spear heated white hot over an open flame. Well, you get the idea. So, let us hear no moreth bullshit about cruel and unusual from the pansies of California. This one would work for me with Lamericus Davidson, currently on death row in Tennessee. Perhaps Khalid Sheik Muhammed should be a candidate as well.<br /><br />O.K., O.K. maybe I got carried away. Then again, maybe I didn't.Tennessee Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-66044721965329315662011-04-19T18:09:16.025-04:002011-04-19T18:09:16.025-04:00Hawk
How do they know that in improperly administe...Hawk<br />How do they know that in improperly administered dose causes excruciating pain? Have they ask any of the recipients and gotten an affirmation?<br />I just can't get the MASH suicide song out of my head saying suicide is painless but it brings on many changes. What is different with professionally administered versus self administered?Tehachapi Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-12609177542286808852011-04-19T17:44:15.461-04:002011-04-19T17:44:15.461-04:00Actually, Andrew, I have been reading lately about...Actually, Andrew, I have been reading lately about how there isn't enough of the drugs available to perform executionons in some states. I say they should move those on death row to the homes of people who object to the death penalty and let them rehabilitate them. How about we start with Eric Holders' family's home first. Kind of like "The Blind Side" meets "Dead Man Walking".<br /><br />But hanging works too.BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-65539852588336055192011-04-19T17:14:53.800-04:002011-04-19T17:14:53.800-04:00If they don't have enough of this drug, then t...If they don't have enough of this drug, then the answer is simple -- go back to hanging. Let's see how the squishy advocates of murderers' rights like that.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-14299091310599718442011-04-19T16:54:01.579-04:002011-04-19T16:54:01.579-04:00I am all for "an eye for an eye" kind of...I am all for "an eye for an eye" kind of executions. If the murderer forced someone to drink Drano, then they should be forced to drink Drano. Okay, okay...but this is just insanity. It's not "pure" enough? My head hurts.BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-20330896231222371092011-04-19T16:28:21.891-04:002011-04-19T16:28:21.891-04:00i'm reading and i'm trying to concentrate ...i'm reading and i'm trying to concentrate on the subject of executing murderers, yet my brain keeps screaming that it has HAD ENOUGH of this government. laws mean nothing. the will of the people mean nothing. their power means everything. lord help us.pattihttp://www.notawonk.comnoreply@blogger.com