tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post4053712274029811057..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: How Far Is Too Far With Anonymous Posting?AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-36145546247817715172011-05-05T22:00:11.985-04:002011-05-05T22:00:11.985-04:00Jed, I do like my pasta (and my turtles), but no, ...Jed, I do like my pasta (and my turtles), but no, it's actually short for Travis. T-Rav is something several friends have called me for some time, and since I'm not the most creative person in the world, it seemed as good a moniker to go with as any.<br /><br />By the way, people, email me if you want some pipe bombs. I'll let you know more later, but right now I've got to check out these weird helicopter-like noises outside my apartment...T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-24294068070303102602011-05-05T20:05:59.624-04:002011-05-05T20:05:59.624-04:00Patti, My experience is that people who launch ano...Patti, My experience is that people who launch anonymous attacks run away very quickly when confronted with someone who isn't afraid to put their name on the line.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-31937524747649129742011-05-05T20:05:11.562-04:002011-05-05T20:05:11.562-04:00rlaWTX, Well, we're glad you found us! And I ...rlaWTX, Well, we're glad you found us! And I think we're all pretty happy how things turned out around here. We definitely have a good group of people who come and participate.<br /><br />I never spent much time at the History Channel board, but I used to check out things like various science fiction boards and the such. But they usually fell apart very quickly when flame wars began. I'm glad the internet has largely gotten over that phase of its existence and now most places survive the occasional troll or disagreement.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-74887104116352238582011-05-05T18:44:37.223-04:002011-05-05T18:44:37.223-04:00i would respond under my name, cause just like pos...i would respond under my name, cause just like posting the pics of a dead terrorist, i want my anon trolls to know i ain't playin', that i'll take some of their sh*t, but if pushed, i'll make them eat it. trolls hate that, the thrive on the anon. <br /><br />but i get what he was trying to do.pattihttp://www.notawonk.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-22369070769330081122011-05-05T17:42:11.458-04:002011-05-05T17:42:11.458-04:00y'all are insane!! too much fun around here to...y'all are insane!! too much fun around here today!<br /><br />Andrew: back in the late 90's I played on the History.com bulletin boards - the poitics & religion sections, go figure. But hadn't messed with much since until about 4 years ago. Then I found NRO again and then BH... and finally Nirvana here!!!<br /><br />Kosh: I will raise Bev AKA Angie's bid with a bucket of cat hairballs.<br /><br />Tennessee: what, exactly, do you have against brunettes so that you believe calling someone one would get pipe bombs in response? Answer carefully... I'm further south than Amarillo - in W country! [actually we're really more Laura country: she and her mom have hospital sections named after them]rlaWTXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09319344164726195144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-44605343933581275912011-05-05T16:45:37.804-04:002011-05-05T16:45:37.804-04:00Tenn Jed - Oh, darn. It is true, you found me out...Tenn Jed - Oh, darn. It is true, you found me out. I am Angie Harmon in disguise. If you must know, I also wear a disguise in real life, so I can travel amongst you without notice. I love all the adulation when I travel as myself, but it can be draining sometimes...{{sigh}}.BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-843468622255743892011-05-05T16:40:56.295-04:002011-05-05T16:40:56.295-04:00Jed, I think it's interesting that so many of ...Jed, I think it's interesting that so many of us never really participate in the internet until a couple years ago. I've been on line since the early 1990s, but I never really commented anywhere until BH. And it sounds like a lot of other people are in the same boat!AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-75197830466761047662011-05-05T16:38:33.123-04:002011-05-05T16:38:33.123-04:00T_Rav, I come from a long line of Metric-Resistors...T_Rav, I come from a long line of Metric-Resistors.<br /><br /><br />Kosh & Jed, That is a definite concern, that people will retaliate in real life for what happens on the web, which is why I don't have a problem with people adopting fake identities on the web.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-40258497001818230342011-05-05T16:22:54.942-04:002011-05-05T16:22:54.942-04:00I'm kind of crushed to find out about T-Rav an...I'm kind of crushed to find out about T-Rav and riaWTX; e.g. those aren't there given birth names. Actually, I always assumed T-Rav was a play on that great delicacy "Turtle Ravioli." Who knew?? As for ria, unless you are actually married to Danny Devito, I always supected you to be from Amarillo in West Texas ;-)<br /><br />Bev - I always assumed you were Angie Harmon not wanting to stall you career by sounding too politically incorrect, and that the Bev thing was a play on Bevis or Bevan just to throw off the pin heads. (o.k. I didn't really, but still thought it had a chance as a cheap laugh.)Tennessee Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-72148631263218198392011-05-05T15:43:44.328-04:002011-05-05T15:43:44.328-04:00To the Department of Homeland Security for the Glo...To the Department of Homeland Security for the Glorious One:<br /><br />What I said before was a lie just to fit in. As you know, I am a undocumented school girl with no arms or legs. I dictate to my pet...I, mean, friend monkey who transcribes my thoughts. I have no problems aborting fetuses or killing off old people, but am against killing misunderstood individuals such as Bundy as Mr. Osama bin Ladin. I am writing because this months check is late. I tried to eat the rich, like the wonderful Michael Moore suggested, but he yelled alot and didn't taste very good. I have to go now as my partner is calling me for lunch<br /><br />Signed,<br /><br />Moesha GonzalesKoshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-66582633981939706912011-05-05T15:39:19.184-04:002011-05-05T15:39:19.184-04:00T-Rav, I am sworn to secrecy, but if you start hea...T-Rav, I am sworn to secrecy, but if you start hearing helicopters flying around at odd hours...run.BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-78763823100997079532011-05-05T15:38:52.465-04:002011-05-05T15:38:52.465-04:00I must say, this has been one of the more enjoyabl...I must say, this has been one of the more enjoyable discussions - - great comments.<br /><br /> Like Kosh, I am probably biased in favor of Adams. While what he did was probably wrong, I doubt I'll lose sleep over it. Coming from the corporate world, I see his humor as absolutely right on the money. And yes, I really was reacting more towards a fear of government regulation. Whoever owns the blog sets the rules, so not accepting anonymous comments makes perfect sense.<br /><br />In full disclosure, Jed is not my real name either as any fan of the songs by lyracist Robert Hunter could tell you. However, like Stan, I am very limited and relatively new when it comes to the net. My main concern for not making it too easy to find out who I am (and where I live) is that I could piss off some nut job willing to put a pipe bomb in a mailbox. Hope I haven't pissed off Commentarians too much. I know I once referred to Beverly as a brunette l.o.l. and now can only hope a) I didn't offend her or b) she knows how to find out where I live AND is an expert in making p.b.'s<br /><br />Hawk, I may start to call you "Ethan" just for the halibut.Tennessee Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-56441954906367122182011-05-05T15:36:50.899-04:002011-05-05T15:36:50.899-04:00I can empathize with LawHawk, although he has more...I can empathize with LawHawk, although he has more courage with his screen name than I do with mine. I too am a professional working in a VERY libral part of the country. And like San Fransisco, it is amazing how the people around here really believe that the rest of the world gives a rats patootie about what they think. So I too must sort of fly under the radar or risk starving to death.Koshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-31021609508347346632011-05-05T15:24:53.302-04:002011-05-05T15:24:53.302-04:00Andrew, that darned metric system! Horrible kilogr...Andrew, that darned metric system! Horrible kilogram tyranny they have over there...one day, we will overcome.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-41139091575815147152011-05-05T15:23:03.925-04:002011-05-05T15:23:03.925-04:00Bev, you'd better be careful. DHS is probably ...Bev, you'd better be careful. DHS is probably not too happy with you after you stood them up last night. Wait...you DID stand them up, didn't you?T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-83645101504104840992011-05-05T15:22:29.432-04:002011-05-05T15:22:29.432-04:00Kosh, I agree, I don't want the government inv...Kosh, I agree, I don't want the government involved either. I'm not even sure there is an actual solution and we certainly don't want the government imposing its twisted version of a solution.<br /><br />And you're right that the simple answer is that people just need to be more careful about what they believe on the net. I just find it bizarre that so many people don't seem to get that.<br /><br />In terms of the reviews, you're right that it's pretty easy to spot the fakes -- especially when you get a ton of actual reviews along side.<br /><br /><br />On Lawhawk's birth certificate, I had no idea that he and Dr. Evil had a shared past! LOL!AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-75264759455648803762011-05-05T15:22:01.744-04:002011-05-05T15:22:01.744-04:00Kosh, I will make the opening bid - 10 of the famo...Kosh, I will make the opening bid - 10 of the famous Commentarama invisible t-shirts (one size fits all)!BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-83678752439711320482011-05-05T15:16:10.718-04:002011-05-05T15:16:10.718-04:00I have in my hands LawHawks real birth certificate...I have in my hands LawHawks real birth certificate. He was born in Rangoon to a 15 year old French prostitute with webfeet. (it is amazing how much information a real long form contains)<br /><br />I will provide the orginal copy to the highest bidder.Koshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-27925311345949763952011-05-05T15:09:31.807-04:002011-05-05T15:09:31.807-04:00In a world where people set up facebook pages for ...In a world where people set up facebook pages for their cats as well as fake reviews, you have to be cautious with what you read. I don't want the government to have any involvement in this at all. Not one little toe. Not a nostril-hair on that camel nose. It's not because I don't want to loose access to cat porn (I know, I am currently seeking professional help), they just don't need to "help" anymore. If you look through these pages of reviews, it isn't hard to find the "real" ones.<br /><br />Heck, our own government can't even get its story straight on the OBL raid. I think sockpuppeting pales.Koshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-42026874155470361292011-05-05T15:03:49.367-04:002011-05-05T15:03:49.367-04:00T_Rav, It's a family name. Our family came fro...T_Rav, It's a family name. Our family came from Fortran via Abacus before fleeing to the US to avoid the metric system.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-50057136440713835442011-05-05T14:54:51.362-04:002011-05-05T14:54:51.362-04:00LawHawk, I'm just asking questions. You could ...LawHawk, I'm just asking questions. You could release this stuff any time you want to, and solve the mystery of what name is REALLY on your birth certificate. And then we could all move past the fact that you basically forced me to ask these questions in the first place.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-42697730272078890012011-05-05T14:52:03.431-04:002011-05-05T14:52:03.431-04:00Andrew (or Bob), were your parents computers, or d...Andrew (or Bob), were your parents computers, or did they just really hate you? Because I think your Internet name is far less dorky.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-60509070313597867982011-05-05T14:50:23.887-04:002011-05-05T14:50:23.887-04:00Kosh, That's a good point too. And you're...Kosh, That's a good point too. And you're right about the Bigs. When someone shows up who is either a known troll or has a massive negative rating like a troll, people don't really listen to what they have to say, they just attack -- no matter how rational that person may be or how good their points.<br /><br />In terms of Adams, I personally am a little conflicted on the issue. As I say, I can't hold it against him, but I can't say "sure, why not?" either. But I'm probably not the problem for Adams because (1) I am a fan, and (2) I know exactly why he felt so frustrated that he had to do this. The problem for Adams, as I see it, is that now he ends up with numerous articles written about him in various magazines in which he's getting the bad PR of being accused of doing something sneaky. If he had not even bothered, few people would have cared about these anonymous attackers. But by doing this and getting caught, he's made his problems worse by making himself look like the bad guy instead of the victim.<br /><br />Also, even beyond Adams, the issue is what is proper and what isn't? Should we worry that a bunch of the reviews at Amazon might be fake? Or that someone like Media Matters might be out there trolling places just to cause them problems? That's where this issue ultimately heads and I don't think there are any easy answers because the solution to these problems would probably be worse than the problem itself, yet there is an undeniable problem.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-86331340878664033732011-05-05T14:34:00.235-04:002011-05-05T14:34:00.235-04:00Maybe I am a little biased because I have always b...Maybe I am a little biased because I have always been a fan of Adams, but I really don't see this as a major issue. Sometimes using a proxy you can get a better idea what people think of your or your work. It is why many of us have satisfaction surveys done by a third party. You often can't get an honest assessment of how good you are doing (or how much of a jerk you are) without it. Many times you can't even get a conversation started with someone because of their bias. If some of these people knew who he was when he was sockpuppeting, they probably would have just attacked him and not even tried to discuss what he was trying to say. You see this all the time on the Bigs. Admit it, when you see a comment from someone with a -107 rating, you automatically think "troll." Usually we're right, but the immediate impulse then clouds how you read their point. Occassionally, there is a person who really is looking to debate and discuss rather than just annoy.<br /><br />Personally, I would think it would awesome if I got punked by Scott Adams.Koshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-85494128918829061172011-05-05T14:25:23.838-04:002011-05-05T14:25:23.838-04:00rlaWTX, I figured that wasn't your real name! ...rlaWTX, I figured that wasn't your real name! :-)<br /><br />That's a good point about Adams. To the extent that he defends himself, he is considered biased and many people will dismiss what he says. And anonymous post lets you get around that.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.com