tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post6441791316590080330..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: This Deck Is StackedAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-70409729380954384272009-12-15T13:55:37.041-05:002009-12-15T13:55:37.041-05:00HamiltonsGhost: It does look like those two optio...HamiltonsGhost: It does look like those two options are gone. But Joe Lieberman says that even though he would not vote for a bill with those options, still he is anxious to vote for some kind of bill. So we're still likely to see that battle to get a bill by Christmas go on. Joe prefers his governmental fixes in small doses.<br /><br />It finally hit me recently that Joe Lieberman is the mirror image of John McCain.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-91275712864408559582009-12-15T13:48:36.678-05:002009-12-15T13:48:36.678-05:00I'm hearing news this morning that the public ...I'm hearing news this morning that the public option and Medicare add-on option are dead. True?HamiltonsGhosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07777000856977635480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-70987547691399192152009-12-15T13:45:31.303-05:002009-12-15T13:45:31.303-05:00DCAlleyKat: You sent her one too? I hope yours w...DCAlleyKat: You sent her one too? I hope yours was nicer than mine. LOL<br /><br />Individualist: These deficit numbers are so outrageous as to be nearly incomprehensible. And yet the left continues to propose programs which will make those deficits look like child's play. Medicare is already billions in debt and about to go under. So let's add 30 million people to the program. What kind of logic is that?LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-27713710281015866832009-12-15T01:40:12.959-05:002009-12-15T01:40:12.959-05:00Medicare is in the red this year so the fix is to ...Medicare is in the red this year so the fix is to increase the number of people in the system. This is a scam. They are unable to admit the system is broke and so they coopt more individuals into the government roles to cover the costs they owe now. This whole thing is a pyramid scheme that would make MAdoff proud. <br /><br />After one year of Obama God I Hope we have a Change soon.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-3044618406184028522009-12-14T16:28:21.514-05:002009-12-14T16:28:21.514-05:00The Pelosi Christmas present most Americans don...The Pelosi Christmas present most Americans don't want...I hope she liked my Christmas card.DCAlleyKathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13595521064453455995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-62940670888199902802009-12-14T14:22:12.527-05:002009-12-14T14:22:12.527-05:00StanH: I was being kind by only calling it a &quo...StanH: I was being kind by only calling it a "tipping-point." You're absolutely right, it's broke, broke, broke. Repent--the end is near. <br /><br />No matter how devastating any version of nationalized health care would be for the nation, the Democrats know that if they come up completely dry, it will be even more devastating for them after having, as you said, "overpromised." What amazes me is that they don't see that succeeding in getting one of these crazy, outrageously expensive bills passed will be even more devastating for them. In passing one, they won't solidify their leftist base (they want more, more), and they'll lose the center.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-17649396449260625162009-12-14T08:45:35.291-05:002009-12-14T08:45:35.291-05:00It seems this latest scam is falling by the waysid...It seems this latest scam is falling by the wayside. It’s my understanding that Medicare is already a 35 trillion dollar un-funded mandate. This is beyond a tipping point, but a vicious collapse of a system. This as Baby boomers are getting ready to retire in masse and will make a bad situation worse. Being a bit cynical, I think a lot of this has to do with the fact that the government has over promised, and has used Social Security, and Medicare taxes as a personal piggy bank. Now in a panic Washington (statist) is searching for some kind of solution to kick this looming problem down the field. And hopefully us Baby boomers will do the right thing, and perish, before we begin to collect from a system that we’ve paid into for 30, 40, 50, years. It’s a “trust fund” don’t you know …wink-wink-nod-nod!StanHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-59935250868838982432009-12-13T23:18:37.220-05:002009-12-13T23:18:37.220-05:00Skinners2Cents: I see it partly as "fighting...Skinners2Cents: I see it partly as "fighting this war with the last war's plans." The Democrats just don't seem to realize that they have to work with Republicans and Independents, so they go right on with their grand useless gestures as if they were still in the minority party. Shouting "health care for everybody" in a crowded room is just fine when you know it won't pass and you can pick up support from your base in the minority party. It doesn't work when you're the majority party and can't come up with anything acceptable to those outside your base. For a party that claims to be "progressive," the Democrats are certainly behind the times.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-14734408132559874892009-12-13T23:13:38.692-05:002009-12-13T23:13:38.692-05:00Tennessee: Why, thank you, sir. The Blue Dogs do...Tennessee: Why, thank you, sir. The Blue Dogs do have consciences, but they're too easily compromised. Still, this proposal is truly toxic, and it's getting noticed by conservatives in all the right places. It doesn't take long for it to go from the conservatives to the independents, and that't where the Blue Dogs know they're already in trouble. They may be the ones who squelch this loser proposition simply out of self-defense.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-90691157325639260432009-12-13T23:04:52.094-05:002009-12-13T23:04:52.094-05:00Great points, it would explain some of their blind...Great points, it would explain some of their blindness to reality. Their clumsy looking efforts haven't ever really made sense. Why call a vote when you know you don't have enough yea votes to pass it?<br /><br />Just when we think we've dodged the socialism bullet they reload and aim again. <br /><br />I hope this is Reid's and many others final salvos in the Senate and the House permanently.<br /><br />Democrats treachery seems to know no bounds.Skinners 2 Centshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06637561284569976324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-3063975780305468582009-12-13T22:53:52.782-05:002009-12-13T22:53:52.782-05:00Question - What is it that blue dog democrats fear...Question - What is it that blue dog democrats fear most? Losing their power, of course. It takes guys like Law Hawk to put a spotlight on this, and it is critical it gets taken to the voters in key blue dog constituencies.Tennessee Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-69951850909209053332009-12-13T21:27:55.007-05:002009-12-13T21:27:55.007-05:00CalFed: Indeed it was. But that was when Democra...CalFed: Indeed it was. But that was when Democrats could make grand gestures for making "Medicare more available for the weak and downtrodden," without any possible chance of it passing. Now they have to be sneaky because they actually think they might pull something off. I still think that all things considered, this latest mad scientist plan will go the way of all its predecessors.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-8910351832798861422009-12-13T21:23:46.194-05:002009-12-13T21:23:46.194-05:00Lawhawk, Apparently this was tried once before in ...Lawhawk, Apparently this was tried once before in the 2004-2005 Congressional sessions, but was beaten down like a feeble chihuahua. That was in the time of "we're only slightly nuts," but before "hope and change."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284025222779154243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-1915112661856114462009-12-13T20:28:40.901-05:002009-12-13T20:28:40.901-05:00HamiltonsGhost: We're not there yet, but that...HamiltonsGhost: We're not there yet, but that sure doesn't hurt. We need to hear this from about fifteen more Democrats before I'll be sure that this isn't being manipulated behind our backs by "the most transparent administration in history."LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-32133469054590925132009-12-13T20:18:49.472-05:002009-12-13T20:18:49.472-05:00Lawhawk--This is a good indication. Joe Lieberman ...Lawhawk--This is a good indication. Joe Lieberman has said this option is a public coption that he won't support, and Ben Nelson (D-Nebraska) who has pushed back against the excesses of total government health care has said this option is a "deal-breaker." Based on what you and Andrew have said today, I hope that means "no deal."HamiltonsGhosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07777000856977635480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-35294719210959373762009-12-13T18:28:23.821-05:002009-12-13T18:28:23.821-05:00Andrew: We're getting them here too. Of cour...Andrew: We're getting them here too. Of course in San Francisco they're just preaching to the choir. But there is some hope out there in the adjacent counties, and I hope they can sift out these outright lies for themselves.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-69192689404025381362009-12-13T18:20:27.048-05:002009-12-13T18:20:27.048-05:00I've been seeing several ads on television try...I've been seeing several ads on television trying to save the rear ends of several Democrats around here, and those ads are stunningly packed with lies. I'm not talking about differences or opinion either, but flat out lies.<br /><br />I hope this health care "reform" ends up being the end of the Democratic party. They deserve it.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.com