tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post68897541839464864..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: Y'All Come! Si Se Puede!AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-71074329968641577832012-02-22T00:05:02.332-05:002012-02-22T00:05:02.332-05:00Indi: Corrupt socialist governments rely on havin...Indi: Corrupt socialist governments rely on having to do little, control much and find a way to use other people's money in a way most advantageous to the government elite without any care for where or how the money is earned. Your summary is an excellent example of how that works. The potential wealth of Mexico is far less important to the ruling elite than the current wealth it creates for them.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-40963990776622020832012-02-21T23:29:05.733-05:002012-02-21T23:29:05.733-05:00Lawhawk
The problem I have most with our country&...Lawhawk<br /><br />The problem I have most with our country's immigration policy with the country of Mexico (and yes the majority of the illegals are Mexicans so we need to identify this fact) is that the country most hurt byu it is Mexico. <br /><br />While the Mexican government can claim somehting like a 16 billion dollar beneifit ( I heard once not sure of the actual number) every year in payments made to illegals in welfare or under the table jobs that find their way back top Mexico I beleive the ultimate loss of worker productivity is much worse in the end.<br /><br />This is hard to see because it is an opportunity cost to Mexico. The workers leave Mexico to provide cheap labor for America. This lowers the productivity of both countries. There is pelnty of fertile land in Mexico I am certain which I do not beleive is fully used. <br /><br />Furthermore by not providing the services necessary to take care of their population in schools and medicine and what have you Mexico ends up poorer. <br /><br />The drug cartels have the ability to operate with such impunity I believe because the country is poor and encourages this lawlessness. <br /><br />Somehow however it is never considered that if America is to have an increase in 10 million Mexicans in this country's poipulation what does that do to the country of Mexico that loses those people.<br /><br />Even worse the low slave wages illegals are paid on the vinyards and farms picking vegetables and the welfare payments while a one time economic boon for the few Mexicans that recieve them are far less than would be say a job in Mexico if the Mexican Government had the same protections that American worlers do. <br /><br />Either prospect which is what has been gpoing on for over 80 years is detrimental to both America and Mexico economically but it is much more devastating to the economy of Mexico.<br /><br />And Mexico itself does have some advantages in trade they could take advantage of. CEMEX for instance has a 40% market share of the cement industry worlwide and is based in Mexico city. There are resources that could be tapped in that country and I think they are not being tapped which makes both our countries even poorer.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-3983736562329337802012-02-21T18:41:00.199-05:002012-02-21T18:41:00.199-05:00T-Rav: My lifelong best friend, my college buddy ...T-Rav: My lifelong best friend, my college buddy and both my sons-in-law are of Mexican heritage. They all oppose illegal immigration, and are even tougher on the issue than I am. They're all first generation native-born Americans whose families came here legally, followed all the rules, and became proud naturalized American citizens. But I can also see that hint of offense they feel when the nativists go off on their "get rid of all of them" thing.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-44936875281612263942012-02-21T18:21:42.766-05:002012-02-21T18:21:42.766-05:00The funny thing to me is, how many Hispanics there...The funny thing to me is, how many Hispanics there are who have come here legally and are very much against illegal immigration. Whenever this subject comes up on talk radio, you can usually count on at least one or two Mexican-Americans to call in and talk about how they followed the system and got through it just fine and all the illegals should be made to do so as well. And yet we're all racists for wanting to secure the borders. Of course.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-32975588086192427692012-02-21T17:12:51.747-05:002012-02-21T17:12:51.747-05:00tryanmax: I do read the Spanish-language newspape...tryanmax: I do read the Spanish-language newspapers from time to time just to see what's up. Like our own MSM, the vast majority are left wing and pro-open borders. MEChA, MALDEF and other irredentist organizations heavily influence the texts. They carry the same message as our open borders crowd with the addition of taking back the Southwest for Mexico. Almost every edition includes instructions on how to enter the US illegally and how to get around the system if caught. And now Obama has a czar to help them.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-58990981492966925272012-02-21T17:07:28.510-05:002012-02-21T17:07:28.510-05:00Tennessee: Romney is the only Republican candidat...Tennessee: Romney is the only Republican candidate who talked sensibly about "self-deportation" and got roundly laughed at for it. The problem is thorny, but doing nothing only makes it worse. As long as there's the hint of amnesty, the illegals will continue to come. And when the only alternative is mass exportation, the problem will not be solved and Hispanic anger will increase. There must be a sensible policy which somehow punishes illegal entry, has a humanitarian (but realistic) approach to long-term but illegal residents who have contributed to the community and the nation, makes deportation for criminal activity swift and sure and discourages entry for those not prepared for and seeking legitimate work. But the one thing that most everyone agrees on is that we must secure the borders. We're not even close to that goal, and Obama will do nothing to advance it.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-56200363079284503782012-02-21T16:59:44.027-05:002012-02-21T16:59:44.027-05:00Andrew: Uncertainty creates chaos. And that mani...Andrew: Uncertainty creates chaos. And that manifests itself perfectly in the immigration problem. When all the rules seem to conflict with each other, and two opposite things are being said at the same time, those who want to game the system will do so, and usually get away with it.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-16285611191212435212012-02-21T16:42:33.205-05:002012-02-21T16:42:33.205-05:00I keep telling myself that I'm going to try ou...I keep telling myself that I'm going to try out that Rosetta Stone language program for Spanish. I am super-curious about what the Spanish-language MSM puts out. I imagine it is misinformation like we wouldn't believe. <br /><br />When I talk to immigrant friends and acquaintances about the issue of illegals, they want the same things as conservatives want. But I am told that lots of more recent immigrants are afraid of deportation regardless of their legal status. Somebody is allowing this lie to propagate. I imagine left-wing Spanish news is just as heavily laced with innuendo as English news, if not more so.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-1887779806073428962012-02-21T16:13:39.366-05:002012-02-21T16:13:39.366-05:00this has been an issue both parties have generally...this has been an issue both parties have generally shied away from. Certainly Bush, with his Texas experience, tended to pander. That Obama does is hardly a surprise. He has become expert at getting around Congress, though.<br /><br />Newt appears to be a pander bear as well, and although I haven't checked lately, I felt like Romney was most likely to see the need to enforce our immigration laws. Failure to do so and we become a big California demographically.Tennessee Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-85059489215290436322012-02-21T16:10:58.433-05:002012-02-21T16:10:58.433-05:00Unfortunately, this is an issue that few are looki...Unfortunately, this is an issue that few are looking at rationally. Instead, the Democrats want to open the floodgates and the Republicans pander to the "get 'em out now" crowd, which makes it that make harder for the people with genuine ideas about how to stop the flow from being heard. So they keep coming.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.com