tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post763452412562730843..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: (Un)Exempting Churches From Gay Rights LawsAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-64051920671789226392012-05-15T00:44:18.759-04:002012-05-15T00:44:18.759-04:00But tryanmax, It's for their own good. ;)But tryanmax, It's for their own good. ;)AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-91638023300792624872012-05-15T00:41:40.571-04:002012-05-15T00:41:40.571-04:00Don't forget the right to impose union members...Don't forget the right to impose union membership on people who don't want it and to forcibly disband groups you disagree with.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-24741193008062546692012-05-14T20:33:43.007-04:002012-05-14T20:33:43.007-04:00tryanmax, That would be correct, except the left d...tryanmax, That would be correct, except the left doesn't recognize that part. Otherwise things like affirmative action would go down in flames. In their book, "freedom of association" means right to unionize, form left-wing hate groups and protest Republican governments.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-78961712448239258822012-05-14T20:30:14.106-04:002012-05-14T20:30:14.106-04:00Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always t...Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always taken the freedom of association do imply the freedom of disassociation. That pesky First Amendment ruins all the left's fun.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-73983297686223493492010-04-23T11:57:31.895-04:002010-04-23T11:57:31.895-04:00Clew, the problem is that they've been listeni...Clew, the problem is that they've been listening to the left for too long which reads Constitutional Amendments the way they want to read them, rather than reading what they really say.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-469619441932458912010-04-23T08:29:03.602-04:002010-04-23T08:29:03.602-04:00Yup, tolerance needs to be legally mandated from e...Yup, tolerance needs to be legally mandated from everyone but the leftists, apparently.<br /><br />I just got in a huge tangle with a bunch of atheists last night about how stupid and oppressive I am simply because I pointed out the phrase "separation of church and state" is not in the constitution. Oh, really?clewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160166319971765227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-79055132073974250632010-04-22T21:03:06.456-04:002010-04-22T21:03:06.456-04:00Stan, To me this isn't a religious issue eithe...Stan, To me this isn't a religious issue either, it's a First Amendment issue. This is the government telling people that they can't believe what they want to believe. I find that offensive on so many levels.<br /><br />The most fundamental freedom is the right to your own beliefs. This is an attempt to force people to change their beliefs to what the government considers acceptable beliefs. And it don't like that no matter whose beliefs are being attacked.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-23875015528633388772010-04-22T20:25:48.570-04:002010-04-22T20:25:48.570-04:00“Inch by inch everything’s a cinch!”
Societal ma...“Inch by inch everything’s a cinch!” <br /><br />Societal manipulation is one of the great tools of leftist regimes worldwide, and one of the few enemies of the centrally controlled state, is the church. Though I’m not particularly religious, I do understand the importance of the Judeo-Christian traditions of America, they are critical to our continued existence And like was said up-thread for me it’s a 1st Amendment issue, you let statist dictate how you work, play, or pray real trouble is on the come.StanHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-51406999178993324682010-04-22T19:31:20.119-04:002010-04-22T19:31:20.119-04:00True Patti, "clarify" means "change...True Patti, "clarify" means "change" or "push further" to the left.<br /><br />My issue isn't with gays, I really have no opinion on that -- I've met many who I like, some I don't, and it's not an issue for me -- my issue is with telling people what they need to believe.<br /><br />I believe that every human should have the right to hold to their beliefs, be they right, wrong or crazy. To me, that's the most fundamental part of being a human being. But the left doesn't like that. They want to make people into little clones.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-24570772505935883272010-04-22T19:26:59.288-04:002010-04-22T19:26:59.288-04:00the left "clarifying" anything is an ala...the left "clarifying" anything is an alarm to be sounded. one more in a long line of many bells tolling...pattihttp://www.notawonk.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-6021707007090628342010-04-22T18:53:20.000-04:002010-04-22T18:53:20.000-04:00Lawhawk, The right to not associate is the key to ...Lawhawk, The right to not associate is the key to this. What good is the right to associate if you don't have a right to not associate with it? In other words, what good is it to have the right to meet with your friends if you can't keep out your enemies from the meetings.<br /><br />This is the problem with encroachments on the First Amendment. Once you start letting the government tell people what they can believe and who they can associate with, then you've given up the most fundamental human rights. The government should not have the power to tell people what they can believe.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-48939950839293556032010-04-22T18:47:08.040-04:002010-04-22T18:47:08.040-04:00rlaWTX, I think that is exactly the point that is ...rlaWTX, I think that is exactly the point that is being (intentionally) missed. Why would someone want to work for an organization with which they disagree? The only reason that comes to mind is to sabotage it's mission.<br /><br />And when you look at what was argued before the Supreme Court, it sounds like the left is fine with that -- if a bunch of leftists want to take over school church groups or the college Republicans, then so be it. . . they can just go form another group. Yeah, until that one gets taken over too.<br /><br />If the left is going to proceed with this, then it's time for conservatives to start striking back. Use these weapons against the left, as they would use them against the right.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-9772257382787978492010-04-22T18:45:32.524-04:002010-04-22T18:45:32.524-04:00Andrew: How well that points out the danger and t...Andrew: How well that points out the danger and the slippery-slope of interfering with the First Amendment right of free exercise of religion. Secular law has slowly wormed its way into religious affairs in the name of some abstract "human rights." Freedom of association and assembly implicitly includes the right not to associate or assemble with those of differing lines of thought, particularly as it relates to the religious guarantees of the First Amendment.<br /><br />This also explains why I oppose any California gay marriage law which is not a constitutional amendment that protects religious institutions. A mere statute can include gay marriage and religious protections. But statutes are at the whim of the legislature. Gay marriage could be left in place, while the religious exemptions could be wiped out with the mood of the legislature or the opinion of a liberal court.<br /><br />We are not Britain or Europe--yet.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-49660337062705352082010-04-22T18:26:48.742-04:002010-04-22T18:26:48.742-04:00I work for a church in an admin position - when th...I work for a church in an admin position - when the temp agency called, they would not tell me the name of the church. After I explained the definition of "denomination", she gave me that much. There are certain ones that I would not work for because I would implicitly be supporting and furthering their aims, with which I disagree. <br />I said all that to make this point:<br />if those with diametrically opposing positions are trying to get hired, does that not imply that they are either [1] supporting the job's aims or [2] intending on sabotage? I realize that appealing to a lib's common sense is contradictory, but puh-lease!!!rlaWTXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09319344164726195144noreply@blogger.com