tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post7706352837232941691..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: Ave Atque Vale, Rowan WilliamsAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-71815520461273644542012-03-19T12:45:50.584-04:002012-03-19T12:45:50.584-04:00The mainlines seem to be in the process of splitti...The mainlines seem to be in the process of splitting in half: Episcopals have, PCUSA working on it... slippery slope theory abounds, IMHOrlaWTXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09319344164726195144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-9055428425604500082012-03-19T09:24:59.963-04:002012-03-19T09:24:59.963-04:00Well, that's where latitudinarianism will get ...Well, that's where latitudinarianism will get you.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-61964906920069234132012-03-19T01:22:38.306-04:002012-03-19T01:22:38.306-04:00Indi: True, true. Some wise conservative once sa...Indi: True, true. Some wise conservative once said that liberals love Christians, as long as they're dead.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-72872443428385240022012-03-19T00:28:52.758-04:002012-03-19T00:28:52.758-04:00Yea LAwhawk
Christianity would be a good thing fo...Yea LAwhawk<br /><br />Christianity would be a good thing for the leftists if there was not this whole insistence that there is a God Thing, wouldn't it.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-54431491871618852162012-03-18T22:09:09.258-04:002012-03-18T22:09:09.258-04:00Kit: Thanks. Here's the clickable link: Joh...Kit: Thanks. Here's the clickable link: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sentamu" rel="nofollow">John Sentamu</a>.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-35796506035438776672012-03-18T21:48:25.671-04:002012-03-18T21:48:25.671-04:00Here is the wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia...Here is the wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_SentamuKithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-26194657286532070252012-03-18T20:32:15.415-04:002012-03-18T20:32:15.415-04:00Kit: I thought the speech was a little obsequious...Kit: I thought the speech was a little obsequious, but you're right about Sentamu being unable to speak ill of Williams if he wants a shot at the top spot. It would have been uncivil, and probably a job-killer. If that's the reason, then he could still be a reformer. The Church hasn't gotten so far from its base that it needs a Luther or a Calvin--yet.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-9721834525809075492012-03-18T19:51:25.231-04:002012-03-18T19:51:25.231-04:00"Despite his courageous, tireless and holy en..."Despite his courageous, tireless and holy endeavor, he has been much maligned by people who should have known better. For my part he has been God's apostle for our time."<br /><br />Well, technically, Williams is still Sentamu's direct boss and since he is, quite literally, the second-in-command, I doubt he would say anything negative about the man.<br />It would have been called unclassy and, if he wants the job, might have hurt his chances.Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-34932021463550757352012-03-18T17:38:56.310-04:002012-03-18T17:38:56.310-04:00Kit: That's both a funny bit and a strong hin...Kit: That's both a funny bit and a strong hint at the truth. It also points to the statements of two Anglican bishops in East Asia who have declared that Allah and Yahweh are one and the same. That's both simplistic and totally wrong. Jehovah and Yahweh are simply human-created names for the God of Abraham and Moses (whose name was forbidden to be spoken anyway--"tell them that I am that I am; I am sent you"). The name and religious conceptualization of Allah comes from totally different origins, though Islamists would like you to think otherwise.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-85397507352263043472012-03-18T17:32:50.477-04:002012-03-18T17:32:50.477-04:00tryanmax: I hadn't looked at it quite that wa...tryanmax: I hadn't looked at it quite that way, but now that you point it out, you may be right.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-47790328442149459472012-03-18T17:31:42.589-04:002012-03-18T17:31:42.589-04:00Kit: The Archbishop of York, John Sentamu, has ta...Kit: The Archbishop of York, John Sentamu, has taken a fairly clear stand on homosexuality and its lack of place in the priesthood, but he hasn't been so clear about women in the priesthood. What is equally important is his public statement about Williams's retirement from Canterbury: "Despite his courageous, tireless and holy endeavor, he has been much maligned by people who should have known better. For my part he has been God's apostle for our time." That doesn't sound like there will be much of a change if Sentamu is granted the post.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-77816296069753023002012-03-18T17:25:56.238-04:002012-03-18T17:25:56.238-04:00Kit: Actually, I sort of stole it from a London T...Kit: Actually, I sort of stole it from a London Times unintentionally hilarious headline when Elizabeth appointed her first Archbishop of Canterbury: "Queen to Appoint Christian as Head of the Church of England." That wouldn't be quite so ironic today.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-77641642424809234602012-03-18T17:23:37.294-04:002012-03-18T17:23:37.294-04:00Tennessee: Henry did indeed contribute to many of...Tennessee: Henry did indeed contribute to many of the church's problems. By declaring himself head of the Church of England, he also made secularism part of the curia. It really didn't become apparent, however, until the mid-twentieth century.<br /><br />A sidenote related to the monarchs being the Supreme Governor of the Anglican Church is that some theologians argue that it has diluted the moral and spiritual authority of the titular head of the church, and has then worked its way down to the laity. A good example is Prince Charles, heir-apparent to the throne and title, who let it be known that as part of his royal honorifics, he wishes to be known as "defender of faith," rather than "defender of <i>the</i> faith. Which faith--Christianity or the increasingly influential Islam of his ex-wife's boyfriend?LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-78325550694627595872012-03-18T16:57:44.928-04:002012-03-18T16:57:44.928-04:00Reminds me of some exchanges from YES, PRIME MINIS...Reminds me of some exchanges from YES, PRIME MINISTER, when Hacker is trying to appoint a bishop.<br /><br />James Hacker: "Humphrey, what's a Modernist in the Church of England? "<br />Sir Humphrey Appleby: "Ah, well, the word 'Modernist' is code for non-believer." <br />James Hacker: "You mean an atheist?"<br />Sir Humphrey Appleby: "No, Prime Minister. An atheist clergyman couldn't continue to draw his stipend. So, when they stop believing in God, they call themselves 'Modernists'."<br />James Hacker: "How could the Church of England suggest an atheist as Bishop of Bury St Edmunds?"<br />Sir Humphrey Appleby: "Well, very easily. The Church of England is primarily a social organization, not a religious one."<br />James Hacker: "Is it?"<br />Sir Humphrey Appleby: "Oh yes. It's part of the rich social fabric of this country. So bishops need to be the sorts of chaps who speak properly and know which knife and fork to use. The sort of people one can look up to."<br /><br />James Hacker: "So, the ideal candidate from the Church of England's point of view would be a cross between a socialite, and a socialist."<br />Sir Humphrey Appleby: "Precisely."<br /><br />Sir Humphrey Appleby: "You see, The PM has stated that he wants a devout Christian. Now The Dean only believes in Islam, steam engines, and the MCC. In fact, some smart-aleck once asked him on television if he knew what The Bible was."<br />Peter Harding: "And did he?" <br />Sir Humphrey Appleby: "Yes. He said it was some Christian version of The Koran."<br /><br />Sir Humphrey Appleby: "The Queen is inseparable from the Church of England." <br />Jim Hacker: "And what about God?"<br />Sir Humphrey Appleby: "I think he is what is called an optional extra."Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-43700119725693077302012-03-18T16:48:58.427-04:002012-03-18T16:48:58.427-04:00Here is a Telegraph article about possible replace...Here is a Telegraph article about possible replacements for Williams<br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9150877/Bishops-line-up-for-impossible-Archbishop-of-Canterbury-post.html <br /><br />The frontrunner is a Dr. John Sentamu, a black immigrant from Uganda (his family fled Idi Amin), who is the second most senior cleric in the Church.<br /><br />Here is an article on him:<br />http://www.metro.co.uk/news/893334-john-sentamu-poised-to-replace-retiring-archbishop-of-canterburyKithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-51800398536125853492012-03-18T16:48:53.219-04:002012-03-18T16:48:53.219-04:00Sounds as though by resigning he may be answering ...Sounds as though by resigning he may be answering his own prayers.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-18475460569242061442012-03-18T16:31:01.537-04:002012-03-18T16:31:01.537-04:00"Rumor hath it that he might be replaced by a..."Rumor hath it that he might be replaced by a Christian."<br /><br />Good one.Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-38414317294480571252012-03-18T16:28:51.418-04:002012-03-18T16:28:51.418-04:00quite interesting, Hawk! I agree the fellow has no...quite interesting, Hawk! I agree the fellow has not much to recommend him on the leadership question. We can blame it all on Henry VIII I suppose :)Tennessee Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.com