tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post848525072734763643..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: 2012 Election: Predicting The FutureAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-85681472296380065322012-03-15T17:34:32.386-04:002012-03-15T17:34:32.386-04:00Thanks Patti! I hope so to! :)Thanks Patti! I hope so to! :)AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-53628839406067651882012-03-15T17:15:18.776-04:002012-03-15T17:15:18.776-04:00I know I'm late to this post, but I liked it s...I know I'm late to this post, but I liked it so much, I'm gonna link it on the 22nd. Thanks for the hope, brother. Not sure I'm this confident, but am praying you get to say, "I told you so."Notawonkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15388997298014397980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-54089755659362168702012-03-15T00:15:17.581-04:002012-03-15T00:15:17.581-04:00T Rav
What makes the issue so dramtic in Florida ...T Rav<br /><br />What makes the issue so dramtic in Florida is that there is a great distance between metropolitan centers and each one is spread out across the state. Tallahassee, JAcksonille, Orlando and Tampa.<br /><br />Then you have the giantmegolopolis in South Florida which starts Boca Rotan in Palm county and goes all the way south to Homestead. On top of that the demographic makeup of each city is hugely disparate. Gulf Coast Southerners in Tallahassee, Military and Southern Georgians in JAcksonville, Transplanted Yankees in Tampa and Orlando with a large area of Mexicans (many migrant workers too) and the cultural wierdness of South Florida (Rich blueblood northerners, a large Jewish population, Haitians, Cubans, Russians and Slavik and the occasional normal American trying to survive in what is for all intensive purposes a foreign country.<br /><br />This makes the tension a lot more than it should be....Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-89559589640253675942012-03-15T00:11:24.666-04:002012-03-15T00:11:24.666-04:00Indi, Good to know. I never knew there was a cont...Indi, Good to know. I never knew there was a controversy.<br /><br /><br />T-Rav, It seems to be true that the national parties break down at the state level in many states, and a lot of what you end up with is more historical or geographic accident than anything planned.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-88078597798645333022012-03-15T00:08:10.362-04:002012-03-15T00:08:10.362-04:00Andrew
Arthur was born in New York I think but th...Andrew<br /><br />Arthur was born in New York I think but there was a claim that he was born in Canada and they were covering it up while he was President. I looked it up when researching the issue when the guys were coming out on BH and going on about it.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-31550293172752786782012-03-15T00:05:37.311-04:002012-03-15T00:05:37.311-04:00Indi, that's very interesting about Florida po...Indi, that's very interesting about Florida politics, and also very believable. I've been around state government enough to know that a lot of the disputes and alliances have little or nothing to do with ideology or party affiliation.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-33035247898919287642012-03-14T23:45:19.256-04:002012-03-14T23:45:19.256-04:00Indi, That's interesting about Florida. We ha...Indi, That's interesting about Florida. We have a slightly different problem in Colorado in that Denver is so large it runs the state and sucks the budget dry.<br /><br />All I can say on Rubio, is that you should expect him to leave at some point. If not now, then next time. So you might want to start looking for a replacement.<br /><br /><br />Arthur was a Canadian? I didn't know that. Shocker! Of course, so are most of our news anchors and actors.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-57195699674486775292012-03-14T23:18:35.239-04:002012-03-14T23:18:35.239-04:00Andrew
I don't have time to worry about the b...Andrew<br /><br />I don't have time to worry about the birther controvery with Obama.<br /><br />I stioll ahve not gotten over the fact that Cheester A Arthur was a Canadian.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-54143660115732460492012-03-14T23:16:42.118-04:002012-03-14T23:16:42.118-04:00Andrew
I am thinking long term. The Northern / S...Andrew<br /><br />I am thinking long term. The Northern / Southern rift is a state wide thing that crosses party lines. Florida is so spread out and above Orlando the culture is really Southern Georgia in makeup. South Florida has a huge population and they naturally take their fair share of the appropriations budget.<br /><br />Problem is sometines they take more than their fair share. To counteract thsat many of the rural Northern Counties will ban together with Orlando/ Tampa / Tallahassee / Jacksonville to keep South Florida from running everything. The tension can cause a vote swing that overrides party lines. This is what I was refering to.<br /><br />Rubio is perfect for the Flroida Senate seat which can have a tendency to change hands much more than other states. He is a Cuban son of exiles who is loved by the Miami GOP and he is a conservative that touches the heart of the Tea Party which makes him the darling of the Northern state conservative southerners.<br /><br />Rubio could if he wished hold that Senate seat the rest of his life. There are ve3ry few people that have acheived that in Florida. The last wone sad to say was a democrat Walkin Lawton but he left to be governor which allowed MArtinez in.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-91374931546002429172012-03-14T22:17:53.258-04:002012-03-14T22:17:53.258-04:00tryanmax, It hasn't been fully addressed by th...tryanmax, It hasn't been fully addressed by the Supremes, but "natural born citizen" is generally believed to mean anyone who qualifies for citizenship by "at birth" or "by birth." On that point, federal law has held that you are a citizen if you are born to an American parent OR you are born on US territory even if your parents are aliens.<br /><br />Why they think Obama doesn't qualify is beyond me. I think the issue is that he can't find a birth certificate to prove who his parents are.<br /><br />Interestingly, I think you would be shocked how many people actually wouldn't be able to come up with a birth certificate because state records are really crappy.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-24947328375276766952012-03-14T22:05:32.291-04:002012-03-14T22:05:32.291-04:00T-Rav, thanks for the link. It's a funny artic...T-Rav, thanks for the link. It's a funny article, too. <br /><br />I've gotta ask, because after four years it's finally bugging me, does anybody have an idea what the definition of "natural born citizen" is? What do we rely on for the definition? The fourteenth amendment seems pretty clear and simple, so I assume it must be something else that is causing the confusion.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-41169519353288809582012-03-14T21:57:34.992-04:002012-03-14T21:57:34.992-04:00darski, Our Constitution allows that -- you just h...darski, Our Constitution allows that -- you just have to be born on US territory to be a naturally born citizen. So he's good to go.<br /><br />Do I like that? No. But it is the law.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-57421730166837551302012-03-14T21:43:44.844-04:002012-03-14T21:43:44.844-04:00Rubio was born 'here' to immigrants with N...Rubio was born 'here' to immigrants with NO citizenship. They had not even applied for citizenship by his birth date. Nobama at least had one (underage) American parent.darskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-82459653724702686032012-03-14T21:43:26.423-04:002012-03-14T21:43:26.423-04:00Indi, Florida sounds like a mess? It sounds like ...Indi, Florida sounds like a mess? It sounds like the Cubans and the northern conservatives need to start working together.<br /><br />In terms of Whatshername Shitz, however, I think now would be the time to do it. You've got a Republican governor who could appoint a replacement who would then run and 2012 should be a strong cycle for Republicans because of Obama. So this might be the best time to find a replacement, rather than waiting until 2016 when we have no idea what Florida will look like.<br /><br />But you are correct that any time you take a sitting politician and move them to DC, you risk losing the seat -- unless you're in a completely safe state.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-20906381601661753702012-03-14T21:39:39.811-04:002012-03-14T21:39:39.811-04:00darski, Why not? We've got a Kenyan overlord ...darski, Why not? We've got a Kenyan overlord right now, what's the harm in outsourcing the presidency from now on?<br /><br />Seriously though, I understand that the Rubio thing has been debunked and that he was in fact born here.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-59176184671669110202012-03-14T21:38:21.115-04:002012-03-14T21:38:21.115-04:00T-Rav, Would I ever say anything bad about West by...T-Rav, Would I ever say anything bad about West by God Virginia? Perish the thought! ;)AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-58796566342515199802012-03-14T21:24:01.580-04:002012-03-14T21:24:01.580-04:00Sorry for the lateness, but I've been out most...Sorry for the lateness, but I've been out most of the day. <br /><br />tryanmax, here's your link: <a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/14/shocker-poll-with-51-democrats-gives-obama-50-approval-rating/" rel="nofollow">LINK</a> And it's from Reuters, which is even worse.<br /><br />In light of the fact that he didn't sling mud at West by God Virginia, I think we should all assume that Andrew's account has been hacked.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-19993175043179063342012-03-14T21:02:39.366-04:002012-03-14T21:02:39.366-04:00Well there you go then... you will soon have your ...Well there you go then... you will soon have your first Anchor baby prez. will be cause for celebration no doubt.darskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-6722193169460172662012-03-14T21:01:29.581-04:002012-03-14T21:01:29.581-04:00Andrew
I understand your concern but let me ask ...Andrew <br /><br />I understand your concern but let me ask this question. How much are you willing to put a Florida US Senate Seat at risk of going to a Debbie Wasserman Schultz for the extra oomph form a Tea PArty that in my estimation is primed to get rid of Obama no matter what....?Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-46205216746945880432012-03-14T20:58:23.045-04:002012-03-14T20:58:23.045-04:00Ed I agree with you
an I lives here
imagine my f...Ed I agree with you<br /><br />an I lives here<br /><br />imagine my frustration.<br /><br />Florida's problem is that it would be diagnosed with schyzophrenia. We have a lot of hard core southern conservatives in the North but too many of them are likely to forgive a democrat that talks the old Southern Convservative Dixie game but that is much less now.<br /><br />There is a huge block of jewish liberals in Palm Coast that are able to fund and organize the Haitian and other than Cuban hispanic majorities down there. Because there is a huge fight for control between South and the North Florida many Cubans somettimes go along with them to gain leverage for South Florida.<br /><br />Plus there are a lot of libertarians in Lauderdale and Miami that can always be swayed by a liberal that talks about social issues to them and glances over their economic totalitarianism. It is nerve racking.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-42043209186330854792012-03-14T20:18:44.296-04:002012-03-14T20:18:44.296-04:00Ed, Yeah, Reid... arg... Reid.Ed, Yeah, Reid... arg... Reid.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-77934518787314647882012-03-14T20:18:20.690-04:002012-03-14T20:18:20.690-04:00darski, The Constitution was wounded in 1865, and ...darski, The Constitution was wounded in 1865, and died of its wounds in 1933. At this point, it's more about public relations than anything else.<br /><br />That said, my understanding is that the whole "Rubio wasn't born here" idea was thoroughly debunked.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-12041118288014851302012-03-14T20:15:38.648-04:002012-03-14T20:15:38.648-04:00So it is official that the constitutional requirem...So it is official that the constitutional requirements are totally meaningless. Since Obama got away with a very iffy situation (parent-wise) Rubio can get away with a totally obvious flaunting of the rules.<br /><br />How much of your constitution are you willing to nibble away and what will you have left when you do so?darskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-27495887239935992952012-03-14T20:03:51.068-04:002012-03-14T20:03:51.068-04:00Indi, Florida pisses me off. Every time they shou...Indi, Florida pisses me off. Every time they should go right, they go left and they keep sending leftists and moderates back to Congress. That's really frustrating. Of course, I have no room to talk because we keep sending Harry F'n Reid back to the Senate.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18122308626703654554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-84860603324752150252012-03-14T19:59:04.925-04:002012-03-14T19:59:04.925-04:00Indi, That's probably true, but that's tru...Indi, That's probably true, but that's true of almost every Republican -- they are more useful at the state level. The thing is, what Rubio brings to a Romney ticket is Tea Party excitement and he represents a declaration that Romney intends to act as a conservative. I'm not sure who else would do that except maybe Allen West? He also brings national prominence to the "conservative commitment to Hispanics," which helps us across the board in every state and with the future. So he does have a lot to offer outside of Florida.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.com