tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post8664419612134921882..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: Democrat Strategy--Run For Your LivesAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-43679178439160096002010-01-12T13:55:13.644-05:002010-01-12T13:55:13.644-05:00Joel: Let's hope the Republicans can do a goo...Joel: Let's hope the Republicans can do a good job of reaching those people who aren't yet aware of the problems we face. The Democrats take them for granted. Republicans and conservatives can't afford to allow this to continue.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-16887940765168984052010-01-12T11:57:49.230-05:002010-01-12T11:57:49.230-05:00Guys,
Before we get too excited, the electorate s...Guys,<br /><br />Before we get too excited, the electorate still is not that informed. I have yet to hear things at work about the upcoming year. The silence is deafening. <br /><br />I work as a janitor now in a hospital. None of this is getting through to these people. When I mention anything remotely about Congress, I get blank stares. Not much for or against. <br /><br />My wife is a nurse and she doesn't talk about the disaster about to befall us.Joel Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-75611242771133834872010-01-12T02:15:42.540-05:002010-01-12T02:15:42.540-05:00Tennessee: I saw that Jonah Goldberg article on a...Tennessee: I saw that Jonah Goldberg article on an edition of National Review Online. His ideas are always clever, often funny, and generally realistic. Although my emphasis was on the Democrats in this article, it wouldn't hurt for the Republicans to take a good look at their own past indiscretions. Big government conservatism is a classic oxymoron, and the Republican party did indeed blow it. Following Domino's open recognition of its mistakes is not a half-bad model.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-39571724188767038622010-01-12T00:27:02.168-05:002010-01-12T00:27:02.168-05:00Hawk - I almost always enjoy Johah Goldberg's ...Hawk - I almost always enjoy Johah Goldberg's weekly column. His current column happens to address the same subject as your post. His suggestion for the G.O.P. was to take the same tact as Domino's Pizza. That is, admit they blew before and vow to learn from that past mistake. I think he may have a pretty good ideaTennessee Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-47622774027728472472010-01-11T23:49:51.585-05:002010-01-11T23:49:51.585-05:00Andrew: You're more optimistic than I am, but...Andrew: You're more optimistic than I am, but you still may be right. A lot depends on how many more mistakes they can make in getting the bill rushed through. The longer it takes, the better the odds that the bill will go down to defeat by substantial margins. If they don't succeed in ramming through a bill before the State of the Union address, then I think your prediction becomes much closer to reality than mine. <br /><br />We've been asking all along for time for the American people to see and understand the bill, because we know they aren't in any hurry to buy this pig. The star chamber meetings among the partisan Democratic leadership are becoming part of their recipe for defeat, and each day more Americans are asking "what the hell are they up to with these secret meetings, political deals, and mad rush to pass?" <br /><br />Almost more than anyone else, Nelson was the candidate for stupid crook of the year. First he accepts a bribe in the form of special, permanent exemption on Medicaid state payments for Nebraska, then when he was called out for it, he said it was OK, but it would be better if those exemptions were for every state, not just Nebraska. Rhetorical question: Isn't that exactly the nationalized program he claimed to be against in the first place?LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-64147757522832132642010-01-11T23:33:26.058-05:002010-01-11T23:33:26.058-05:00StanH: I didn't think for a minute that you w...StanH: I didn't think for a minute that you were advocating rebellion, and the observations were valid. Besides, I'm not above a little street theater now and then myself. Those of us who have been insiders in the left wing of the Democratic Party do have a tendency to see things in a much more polarized way than our present fellow conservatives. Our slogan in the Sixties was "come the revolution." We just called it social welfare for the people. Then we'd flash a peace sign, which meant "get out of our way or we'll destroy you."LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-70221159989870523842010-01-11T23:25:37.373-05:002010-01-11T23:25:37.373-05:00Tennessee: I think that's a wise stance. The...Tennessee: I think that's a wise stance. The Democrats not only play dirty pool, but they have infested many of the state courts (can you say "Al Franken?"). The best way to win is to win big, and we have plenty of work to do to get there. Relying on national dissatisfaction is a dangerous thing to do. We don't want the majority <i>against</i> Democrats, we want them <i>for</i> us.<br /><br />And I know exactly what you mean. Anybody who thinks something in politics is too ridiculous to be possible has never been to San Francisco.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-21310818382233213822010-01-11T22:21:59.602-05:002010-01-11T22:21:59.602-05:00Writer X, I've said all along that I think it ...Writer X, I've said all along that I think it may be impossible to pass this healthcare bill -- there are just too many problems that they've never solved, they just pushed them off.<br /><br />And as every day passes, it's going to get harder as people like Nelson almost break down in tears at the anger he's run into, as 2010 looms closer and closer and all those "moderate" Democrats start to wonder if they are being sacrificed by Pelosi, and as public support continues to sink even as they've begun spending millions of dollars in ads to pump up support.<br /><br />Also, the unravelling of the Nelson deal may finally kill this bill -- it's too expensive to extend the deal to every state, and it's impossible to just favor a couple, and Nelson can't give up the money he got for Nebraska without being burned in effigy.<br /><br />Moreover, I think the anger on the left may undo this bill as well, because it's being sold to the Dems as necessary to "motivate the left" -- but their anger shows that it won't motivate them. So if it won't bring out the left in 2010 and it will turn the center and right against them, I see the Democrats starting to wonder if this is the right thing to do.<br /><br />If I had to put odds on it, I'd say 70/30 against passage.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-78951490921567198082010-01-11T22:21:02.123-05:002010-01-11T22:21:02.123-05:00Oh, agreed I was just giving you the flavor of a p...Oh, agreed I was just giving you the flavor of a political insider on the Democratic side. I definitely do not believe rebellion should be a goal. His point however, he was implying (Pat Cadell) if the ballot box quits working and Washington keeps shoving things down our throats that the American public do not want, that’s as dumb as it is dangerous. It is imperative for the American electorate to stay involved through several election cycles to remedy this Obamanation, and the progressive agenda. It was eleven years between The Stamp Act and rebellion. I pray Washington listens, we’ll see. <br /><br />Note: He paid attention to the mass of Americans on 9/12, and believes that the Tea Party movement is real, and not to be ignored.StanHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-69100686728462894632010-01-11T22:02:33.787-05:002010-01-11T22:02:33.787-05:00It's all sounding very good; excellent post Ha...It's all sounding very good; excellent post Hawk. You have captured the essence of all our discontent. Still, anything can happen in politics and Democrats seem to have no shame when it comes to pulling out every dirty trick in the book to steal elections. Perhaps it comes from being a lifelong Philadelphia sports fan, but I'll always have a bit of the skeptic in me, so I'll continue to be only cautiously optimistic.Tennessee Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-47054672412928178612010-01-11T22:00:33.054-05:002010-01-11T22:00:33.054-05:00HamiltonsGhost: The "n" and the "o...HamiltonsGhost: The "n" and the "o." LOLLawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-41749758162275962352010-01-11T21:58:58.534-05:002010-01-11T21:58:58.534-05:00Lawhawk--How suicidal are these people? The vast ...Lawhawk--How suicidal are these people? The vast majority of Americans in multiple polls have said they don't want abortion in the bill in any form, direct or indirect, and they don't want the government insuring anyone. Yet the left keeps pushing to get them in, and the "moderates" keep trying to find ways to leave those doors open. What part of "no" do they not understand?HamiltonsGhosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07777000856977635480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-40033503155777706652010-01-11T21:42:14.955-05:002010-01-11T21:42:14.955-05:00WriterX: It's really very hard to sift fact f...WriterX: It's really very hard to sift fact from rumor right now, but I've been personally involved in some of that Democratic infighting, and I can tell you that the doctrinaire leftists are the ones most likely to blow the whole thing up. If they continue to insist on bringing back in the worst portions of the bill (abortion, government "insurance") rather than accept a compromise cobbled together by the bosses, the bill may end up losing the support of both the left and the blue dogs. I'm guessing that the vote will be down to as little as one vote, one way or the other, but I wouldn't put money on which it will be. Too many variables, too many egotistical personalities to expect a rational conclusion.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-51483457320230989812010-01-11T21:29:48.422-05:002010-01-11T21:29:48.422-05:00In AZ, Dems Mitchell and Giffords (and perhaps eve...In AZ, Dems Mitchell and Giffords (and perhaps even Kirkpatrick) are rumored to be possible flip-flops on the healthcare monstrosity. I'm curious what you and Andrew think on healthcare. Is it truly on a life support as some of the headlines on Drudge said today? <br /><br />Isn't it amazing that the hope and change that Obama promised will ultimately result in a return to conservative principles? Talk about not seeing that coming!Writer Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16505411188186283813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-76832437483892409702010-01-11T20:58:37.606-05:002010-01-11T20:58:37.606-05:00StanH: They can run, but they can't hide. I ...StanH: They can run, but they can't hide. I don't really foresee much in the form of open rebellion in the offing, largely because I truly believe that electoral defeat is going to be so devastating to everything the left stands for that open rebellion won't be necessary. George Washington proved that the peaceful transition of power could and would occur under our unique form of government, and that has kept us relatively peaceful for most of our history (as long as you don't count that unpleasantness known as the Civil War). Rebellion and revolution are necessary only if the people speak and the government refuses to get out of the way. The Democrats aren't brave enough to try holding onto power they've clearly lost. Sneaky parliamentary maneuvers are one thing, refusal to turn power over to the newly-elected representatives is a whole different animal.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-84415288080990379562010-01-11T19:44:09.060-05:002010-01-11T19:44:09.060-05:00Today Pat Cadell was on Beck, he worked for McGove...Today Pat Cadell was on Beck, he worked for McGovern and Carter so you could say his liberal credentials are intact. He is in a kind of shock about what he’s witnessing in Washington, to paraphrase, “the people are coming to get you in 2010,” referring to all incumbents most especially in the Democratic party. In his view there will be a political slaughter in November the likes of which no one has ever seen or heard of at any point in American history. He came close to calling for the possibility of a potential rebellion referring to “The Stamp Act” of 1755 where riots broke out throughout the colonies, and the direct harbinger of what was to come in 1776. This country is pissed! …and the liberals are playing with fire. Run away may be their only option.StanHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-54740389045490016872010-01-11T19:21:45.349-05:002010-01-11T19:21:45.349-05:00Andrew: Let's hope the exodus continues! The...Andrew: Let's hope the exodus continues! They're going to have a very difficult time spinning the disasters of the past year into later liberal myth as a good thing.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-64608475070262346902010-01-11T18:11:34.518-05:002010-01-11T18:11:34.518-05:00You've summed up the Obama/Pelosi/Reid adminst...You've summed up the Obama/Pelosi/Reid adminstration quite nicely. If we're lucky, they've disgraced liberalism for the next fifty years.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.com