tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post9144779015578883241..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: It Can't All Be Our ImaginationAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-45895391607136349052010-10-31T20:17:21.172-04:002010-10-31T20:17:21.172-04:00Tehachapi Tom: That's always a difficult prob...Tehachapi Tom: That's always a difficult problem--finding a word that adequately describes a group in one word. So far, I prefer Daniel Pipes "Islamist."LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-79081720395244590182010-10-31T02:23:55.216-04:002010-10-31T02:23:55.216-04:00Hawk
I'm surprised here you are one of the few...Hawk<br />I'm surprised here you are one of the few clear thinkers and you state moderate Muslim.<br />Moderate Muslim is an oxy-moron.<br />We need a more clear defining term,<br />can you come up with one? It needs to be descriptive as well as understandable to the voting masses.<br />Whoops I got an extra letter in that last word, sorry.Tehachapi Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-2456704978754330782010-10-30T20:10:18.740-04:002010-10-30T20:10:18.740-04:00Tehachapi Tom: And the first place we'll send...Tehachapi Tom: And the first place we'll send them is the shores of Tripoli. I don't know where Osama bin Laden is hiding, although we can guess it's somewhere on the Afghan-Pakistan border. But we know where al Awlaki is. He's in Yemen. They can't find him, but they can find a woman and her daughter and blame the current round of mail bombs on them. He's a terrorist, a propagandist, and a treasonous dog on top of it. He's probably behind the latest terror plots. If we had the will, and quit worrying about world opinion, we have the Marines, Special Forces, the SEALs and the Rangers who could take him out in no time. But then, we might offend a moderate Muslim or two.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-47754131029615788192010-10-30T19:31:31.302-04:002010-10-30T19:31:31.302-04:00Hawk
The real shame here is we have the means to l...Hawk<br />The real shame here is we have the means to launch a new crusade and to succeed.there is a group of people who will make sure of the outcome being in our favor.<br />I speak of the United States Marines.<br />Give them a clear goal and the resources to do the job then get out of the way. No inbeded any thing to interfere with the job at hand. Nothing else for them to worry about or anyone to baby sit. I fear until some one has the courage to implement such a plan we will always be living in the shadow of some covert strike by these Muslim animals. We must not forget they only have to succeed once to be effective whereas we must succeed every time to thwart their success.Tehachapi Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-58542939643820388702010-10-30T18:55:34.744-04:002010-10-30T18:55:34.744-04:00Ponderosa: I didn't know they were home-based...Ponderosa: I didn't know they were home-based in San Francisco. That would explain their Obama fixation. But their pro-gun position isn't typical of San Francisco, though the citizens did defeat a Board of Supervisors effort to ban handguns entirely (prior to the Supreme Court decision). The few M-B shows I did see involved guns or explosives, so I guess that's how I missed their liberal leanings.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-4743940191623497662010-10-30T17:12:06.757-04:002010-10-30T17:12:06.757-04:00The MBs worked in Hollywood and are based in SF. ...The MBs worked in Hollywood and are based in SF. If they are libs really it shouldn't come as much of a surprise.<br /><br />Then again they like guns. A lot.Ponderosanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-50251215154221269862010-10-30T16:50:34.401-04:002010-10-30T16:50:34.401-04:00Ponderosa: That is a very good discussion, and I ...Ponderosa: That is a very good discussion, and I agree entirely. I imagine you've noticed that frequently, including this article, I refer to Islam as a religious/political entity. The two concepts are so intertwined, that the concept of freedom of religion is utterly impossible. Likewise for tolerance of different beliefs and different ideologies.<br /><br />I've occasionally pointed out that the guiding precept of Christianity in the modern era is "you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." The Islamic concept is "you shall accept our truth, and if you don't, we shall shove it down your throats, and if you still don't get it, we'll kill you." We must always keep in mind that despite the outright lie from the Muslims and their fellow-travelers, "Islam" does not mean "peace." It means "submission."<br /><br />Christianity has come a long way from the Inquisition and the Crusades. Islam is still stuck in the desert just outside that cave and living in the Sixth Century.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-85147087725123793962010-10-30T16:20:12.048-04:002010-10-30T16:20:12.048-04:00To Di's point (I think)...
The definition of ...To Di's point (I think)...<br /><br />The definition of the word <i> “religion”</i> has not been or is now no longer useful.<br /><br />Much like “a right” used to mean individuals were free from governmental interference and now mean the government is free to take from individuals, religion does not mean what is used to mean.<br />Or liberal. Or commerce. Etc.<br /><br />Options:<br /><br />1. Religion as currently defined only refers to our understanding of how <b>Christianity</b> works. The American political, legal & economic systems are based largely on Judeo-Christian beliefs. Even the concept of Western secular society is an outgrowth of Christianity – given that the Latin word <i>“secular”</i> is a Christian definition.<br /><br />2. Islam has never limited itself to religion alone. While it espouses a belief in a god, it also includes very strong political, legal and economic elements.<br /><br />3. Islam is not much different than any other religion – it is just that is has more than a billion adherents which has and will dominate all societies that don’t actively protect themselves.<br /><br />Whatever is most correct should, <i>should</i> inform how we move forward as a country.<br /><br />If this is ‘wrong’ thinking – please let me know.<br /><br />LH, Andrew, Bev, Commentarama regulars I respect your views and will revise if I'm in the weeds.Ponderosanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-53240319221275757652010-10-30T15:34:14.049-04:002010-10-30T15:34:14.049-04:00I am loving this. It's not applicable to this...I am loving this. It's not applicable to this particular post, but I'm watching Obama getting out-shouted by the homosexual rights advocates at a rally for Blumenthal in Bridgeport, Connecticut. He's rattled, but I'll admit he's holding his ground better than I would have expected. They want more funding for AIDS research and money for AIDS in Africa. I don't know how much more money they need for research to teach people not to engage in dangerous sexual or drug activity, or how much money they think we should be sending to Africa on top of what we're already sending. But an angry heckling mob at a Democratic rally in liberal Connecticut can't be all bad.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-27950162355830329142010-10-30T13:53:22.749-04:002010-10-30T13:53:22.749-04:00Di: That is a very astute observation. And I hav...Di: That is a very astute observation. And I have indeed seen far too much of that lately. Hidden ugliness is no less ugly, but in the dark, it's allowed to fester and metastasize. In the words of the great philosophers, the Partridge Family, "evil grows in cracks and holes, and lives in people's minds."LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-35205454585021729482010-10-30T13:25:27.832-04:002010-10-30T13:25:27.832-04:00Relating to the fear that some people have of nami...Relating to the fear that some people have of naming this enemy what it actually is, or using certain words to describe the actual situation, I read this in "Atlas Shrugged" yesterday: "Words are relative. They're only symbols. If we don't use ugly symbols, we won't have any ugliness." Notice any of that philosophy lately? If we don't use certain words, the meaning of the words doesn't exist - political correctness doesn't erase the existence of facts, or feelings for that matter.Dihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16063583307944484526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-22249182672206122232010-10-30T13:15:32.437-04:002010-10-30T13:15:32.437-04:00Tehachapi Tom: PS--Although cache le poudre is a ...Tehachapi Tom: PS--Although <i>cache le poudre</i> is a good idea, I prefer "keep your powder dry, and don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes." LOLLawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-90260195015451172152010-10-30T13:11:49.108-04:002010-10-30T13:11:49.108-04:00Chas7007: Well-said. And let's not forget th...Chas7007: Well-said. And let's not forget the Muslim prayer vigil on the steps of the Capitol, followed by the feds telling the Beck rally that they couldn't pray inside a government building. Anybody who thinks that the Obama administration and municipal nanny-state officials like the Mayor of New York City aren't taking sides is willfully deaf, dumb and blind.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-7792102530727770902010-10-30T13:03:53.373-04:002010-10-30T13:03:53.373-04:00Tehachapi Tom: I certainly hope not. First of al...Tehachapi Tom: I certainly hope not. First of all, let's remember that Christians <i>lost</i> the Crusades (which is one of the reasons why I've always wondered what the hell the Muslims are so angry about). Just as important is the fact that the Crusades were religious wars for both sides. This is a one-sided war of a religion of hate, domination and intolerance against the free, <i>secular</i> West and the Jews. <br /><br />Despite Obama's attempt to paint it otherwise, American is clearly largely Christian, but our Founders wanted that to be voluntary so they went out of their way to keep official religion out of government. Although Christians and Jews both have every reason to fight for life, freedom and the West, this is in fact a very one-sided religious war.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-14636443605259287252010-10-30T12:50:24.447-04:002010-10-30T12:50:24.447-04:00Stan: In keeping with the theme of the past coupl...Stan: In keeping with the theme of the past couple of posts, let's take a quick look at the "Nazis in America" parallel. The Nazis had a large movement going in America, although they somewhat disguised it with an America First theme. Unlike today's Muslims, German Americans were (and still are) America's largest single identifiable ethnic group. The movement even sucked in notable non-Nazis like Lindbergh. But when the theme turned pro-German Nazi and took on the anti-American, anti-Semitic trappings, the movement began to collapse while many of the early supporters turned visibly and publicly against them.<br /><br />Hitler was constantly parodied and mocked during the late 30s nationwide, and there became an increasing awareness among German-Americans (my family included) that he was a madman who was going to plunge the world into a long, dark night. Making the trains run on time or avenging the Treaty of Versailles didn't even come close to being an excuse for staying silent about the horrors of Nazism.<br /><br />And then, of course, the day America declared war on Nazi Germany was the last time that any sane American would don a Nazi-type uniform or even "German garb," or demand that Americans be tolerant of a murderous philosophy that National Socialists argued was merely an exercise of free speech and religion.<br /><br />Carrying it one step farther, can you imagine Americans tolerating, let alone listening to the Council on Nazi-American relations at the end of WW II? Or, say, the building of a 13-story National Socialist Philosophical Center, preferably located in Manhattan, midway between a Polish-Catholic Church and a Jewish Synagogue?LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-2279570681424217982010-10-30T12:42:29.178-04:002010-10-30T12:42:29.178-04:00Good article LawHawk:
What I find interesting is ...Good article LawHawk:<br /><br />What I find interesting is that the Muslim community doesn't seem to be outspoken and condemn the extremist! You might get a little comment here and there in the media. It really looks like a show for t.v. I see no strong movement to show their American patriotism and moderate ideology vs the murderous Jihadist. This makes you wonder. If I were them, I would be marching in "protest" to clearly show the difference. But they are not. Instead I'm seeing a growing imposement of their religious practices on our freedoms and laws. Example: N.Y. prayer time, clogs up the streets and disrupts business. What if Christians or Jews did this? This expected tolerance is growing nationwide. Also this insane idea that "we" have to pay for washing stations with our tax dollars to appease a particular religion. These examples may be light to some, but this is how it begins. It will get harder and harder to reverse if we don't stop it like the ACLU would stop Christianity or any other religion from doing the same. Tam is right, we cannot afford to ignore the truth. If we were more outspoken and not so "afraid" to be "politically correct", perhaps good American moderate Muslims will have to do the same. If we ignore true enemies that want to wipe us off the map, why shouldn't they? We are sending a message to peaceful moderates "Be politically correct, don't be outspoken and take a stand." Geez, you might get fired! It's time all good Americans of all religions stop "bowing" like our president and stand up for their freedom. Or it will erode. Good job commenters, keep speaking up!chas7007https://www.blogger.com/profile/05145277169062240438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-79213997745723876172010-10-30T12:29:15.750-04:002010-10-30T12:29:15.750-04:00Tam: So true. And worst of all, this time there ...Tam: So true. And worst of all, this time there is no clear nation to deal with or oppose. It's a religious-political philosophy that spills across borders and has no official existence. So now we have the problem of weak-kneed leaders combined with an enemy that is difficult to negotiate with since there is no person or nation in charge of the war machine. And then, to top it all off, those who present themselves as leaders, and most of their followers, follow a religion that doesn't allow for negotiation or compromise. That would be a tough situation for an administration which truly and deeply loves America. The current one does not.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-80233546063458133202010-10-30T12:22:26.690-04:002010-10-30T12:22:26.690-04:00Libertarian Advocate: I've had Muslim friends...Libertarian Advocate: I've had Muslim friends and acquaintances over the years. Even in my radical days, none of them seemed to have any enmity toward America or the West, and actually were assimilating. I saw that change in the 90s. Later, none of them would outright condemn the 9-11 attack, or would use the weasel-words about "radical" Muslims. And one theme appeared even among the most moderate, from the 60s through today, and that was unadulterated hatred toward Israel and the Jews.LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-63114489597804954182010-10-30T12:14:38.108-04:002010-10-30T12:14:38.108-04:00Joel: Better safe than sorry, right?Joel: Better safe than sorry, right?LawHawkRFDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-14196132204665466312010-10-30T11:48:19.720-04:002010-10-30T11:48:19.720-04:00Are we headed for another period of crusades? Thes...Are we headed for another period of crusades? These Muslim people are still operating in the era of the crusades and probably the only effective way to deal with them is the way it was. <br /><br />Not being there at that time I cannot be sure there were not moderate Muslims at the time of Suliman the Great. The siege of Malta trying to eradicate the Knights Templar should be reviewed by every one. That was absolutely an all out demonstration of how brutal man can be to man.<br /><br />We are facing the same mentality and I firmly believe the same gross brutality can occur again.<br /><br />I agree with Joel keep your Bibles and guns at hand. And as Rene-Robert Cavelier said "cache le poudre.Tehachapi Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-11750685948970532822010-10-30T10:54:34.250-04:002010-10-30T10:54:34.250-04:00We will either face the Islamic goons now or face ...We will either face the Islamic goons now or face them later, when they are entrenched. Very much like the NAZIs in the lowlands of Poland, we turn our heads and pray, the moderate Muslims will step forward - - it didn’t happen then, and it isn’t going to happen this time. Appeasement only allows the bully to grow in strength, emboldens his actions, and if left unattended, like your snake analogy, will bite us. This is worrisome to say the least. I’m with you Lawhawk, we must call a duck, a duck.StanHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-64100042262365049902010-10-30T10:25:57.519-04:002010-10-30T10:25:57.519-04:00We all know how effective appeasing the enemy prio...We all know how effective appeasing the enemy prior to the outset of WW2 was. I think that pretending the enemy doesn't exist is at least as, if not more, dangerous. Particularly with the mindset of this enemy.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16892551860593187175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-82016242882590623372010-10-30T09:41:58.650-04:002010-10-30T09:41:58.650-04:00Law Hawk:
I am in complete agreement with your co...Law Hawk:<br /><br />I am in complete agreement with your conclusion. As I see it if the "moderate" Muslim community here and elsewhere genuinely want to be accepted and embraced by the rest of us, they will have to step up and prove it beyond any reasonable doubt. By that I mean, they must take firm hold of their faith and expel those among them who adhere to Jihadi ideology. De-fund mosques where extremist thought is taught and be completely intolerant of terror recruiting amongst them. Absent such an undertaking by "moderate" Muslims, there is no reason we should take them seriously.Libertarian Advocatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18245884833251725459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-46727210549376657292010-10-30T09:14:34.159-04:002010-10-30T09:14:34.159-04:00LawHawk,
I think we all will cling to our bibles ...LawHawk,<br /><br />I think we all will cling to our bibles and guns. <br /><br />Keep your powder dry.Joel Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.com