tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post953754682280135506..comments2023-09-15T04:27:57.129-04:00Comments on Commentarama: Why The Nanny State Destroys All It TouchesAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-63983663220858695802012-02-16T00:49:47.693-05:002012-02-16T00:49:47.693-05:00Yeah, it seems that history repeats every 20 years...Yeah, it seems that history repeats every 20 years or so, sometimes sooner.<br /><br /><br />While Option B sounds preferable, we pretty much picked Option A about a decade ago and we're well outside the plane.<br /><br />I saw the program on the History Channel, and while there is some politics in it, it was surprisingly honest and rather interesting.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-35125949940500849792012-02-16T00:43:29.800-05:002012-02-16T00:43:29.800-05:00That's what I figured, so I cobbled together a...That's what I figured, so I cobbled together a couple of options: <br /><a href="http://laxmagazine.com/blogs/images/usl_riding_the_bomb.jpg" rel="nofollow">OPTION A</a><br /><a href="http://www.cool-chaos.com/product_images/f/161/1858__55462_zoom.jpg" rel="nofollow">OPTION B</a><br /><br />I also note that Dylan did get one line wrong: <i>"Come writers and critics who prophesize with your pen, And keep your eyes wide the chance won't come again..."</i><br /><br />Thanks for the link. I'll see if I can't root it up.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-77951795753552838362012-02-16T00:31:58.831-05:002012-02-16T00:31:58.831-05:00Um, yeah. ;)
Even in my short life, I've seen...Um, yeah. ;)<br /><br />Even in my short life, I've seen history repeat everything at least once by now... no nobody noticed.<br /><br />As for admitting we have a problem, forget it. Nobody's in the mood for that. They would rather ride this bomb to the ground.<br /><br /><br />Here's a link to the program: <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1059194/" rel="nofollow">Hippies (2007)</a>.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-66511953413596916982012-02-16T00:05:01.226-05:002012-02-16T00:05:01.226-05:00And that, dear readers, is why T should go to bed ...And that, dear readers, is why T should go to bed earlier.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-39126116253020756082012-02-16T00:02:01.082-05:002012-02-16T00:02:01.082-05:00I should like to see that documentary. Strangely, ...I should like to see that documentary. Strangely, I never gave the hippies much thought until recently, despite the fact that my own mother's dearest wish was to be one despite being only slightly too young. Then one day I saw one of those docummercials about the mid-century folk movement (and the accompanying 12 CD collection!) <br /><br />Folk has never appealed much to me, but what made me pause was a chunk of interview with one of the guys from Peter, Paul and Mary. (I don't remember which, but it's a 50/50 shot.) I always associated folk with libbie flower children but this guy was saying stuff very familiar to my conservative self. <br /><br />I don't remember what he said, exactly, but then I started listening to the lyrics and history started laying itself out for me in a way no textbook ever could. A lot has already been said of the music of the 60s, but it really is the chronicle of the time. I particularly remember one morning when the words to the first verse of "The Times They Are a-Changin'" were circling in my head. <br /><br /><i>Come gather 'round people, wherever you roam,<br />And admit that the waters around you have grown, <br />And accept it that soon, you'll be drenched to the bone<br />If your time to you is worth savin'<br />Then you better start swimmin' or you'll sink like a stone<br />For the times, they are a-changin'</i><br /><br />That when I realized how similar the present is to those days not so long ago and really became worried and upset that people have forgotten about history. If ever there was a time that the waters have grown 'round, surely it is now. It is well past the time to argue about how things got the way they are--and certainly past time to pretend things aren't out of hand. The time has come to simply <i>admit</i> that we have a problem and to take whatever salvage we can. <br /><br />Some might misinterpret that as a compromise message, but I don't need to tell anyone here that the blamers and the deniers all sit together. Not only is there no compromising with their ilk, there's no fear of it. All there is is to escape their itchy grip lest they pull us under with them.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-2799559572474463502012-02-15T21:41:54.347-05:002012-02-15T21:41:54.347-05:00tryanmax, I've heard that from several sources...tryanmax, I've heard that from several sources that Dylan has conservative/libertarian leanings, and it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of early hippies did.<br /><br />We talked about this before in another thread and there was a really neat documentary about the hippies narrated by Peter Coyote and he made a strong case that they were not originally what they became. Indeed, he very much makes them sound libertarian mixed with utopianism initially until the radicals moved in.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-73549104928788576162012-02-15T20:59:17.021-05:002012-02-15T20:59:17.021-05:00Tyranmax
Well said, I guess I have never given it...Tyranmax<br /><br />Well said, I guess I have never given it much thought. Actually I was half joking in my original post. The song seemed to fit the circumstances outlined in Andrew's article very well both figuratively and literally that I had to post it.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-1391277123180288742012-02-15T20:54:27.173-05:002012-02-15T20:54:27.173-05:00Indie, there are actually a lot of those. Keep in ...Indie, there are actually a lot of those. Keep in mind, the progressive movement had been going strong for over half-a-century by the time the 60s rolled around. In many ways (not necessarily all), the protest movements of the era were in response this. The civil rights movement, for example, was in direct response to Wilson-era segregationist policies. <br /><br />The early counter-culturals were heavily influenced by Classical Liberalism and were sincere in their quest to restore freedom. But mid-decade a number of factors came together to splinter the movement and ultimately, leftist radicals hijacked the movement and steered it toward Marxism.<br /><br />I suggest you examine the lyrics of Bob Dylan, especially the earlier stuff like "The Times They Are a-Changin'." Conversely, stuff like "All Along the Watchtower" from the <i>John Wesley Harding</i> album already indicates despair that the movement he helped foster had gone awry. I think Dylan has very good reasons for not discussing his personal politics.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-83721096688528339842012-02-15T20:49:15.387-05:002012-02-15T20:49:15.387-05:00Indi, It happens. But it only happened briefly, t...Indi, It happens. But it only happened briefly, then liberals realized that they needed to save the rest of us from ourselves.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-10497398801847409852012-02-15T20:48:34.174-05:002012-02-15T20:48:34.174-05:00tryanmax, There are a great many people who, in th...tryanmax, There are a great many people who, in the ultimate of ironies, venture forth onto the evil internet to tell the rest of us that we will die in Satan's rear end because we have seen modern television and movies and heard Satan's music.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-51268100303055975102012-02-15T20:44:28.089-05:002012-02-15T20:44:28.089-05:00Thanks Graham. Liberalism does create its own cli...Thanks Graham. Liberalism does create its own clients. The only question is, do they do it intentionally or do they not realize it?AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-37146910755923239252012-02-15T20:31:41.924-05:002012-02-15T20:31:41.924-05:00"Sign Sign everywhere a sign
Blocking out th..."Sign Sign everywhere a sign <br />Blocking out the scenery breaking my mind <br />Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign"<br /><br />Imagine that - a conservative message in an antiestablishment song from the 60'sIndividualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-23650843157462477052012-02-15T20:16:52.156-05:002012-02-15T20:16:52.156-05:00Totally OT: I just read a Whitney Houston related ...Totally OT: I just read a Whitney Houston related article and, I kid you not, I found this in the comments: <i>"I am a traditionalist and don't give a rat's patootie for her kind of pop music."</i> Some tradition! I was completely unaware that Houston's style of music was so offensive to some.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-26067428914242994352012-02-15T19:58:26.078-05:002012-02-15T19:58:26.078-05:00Interesting insight. Liberalism is premised on hel...Interesting insight. Liberalism is premised on helping people who cannot help themselves, but it makes people helpless to help them. In effect, liberalism makes its own clients. Disgusting.Grahamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-18854658358597894482012-02-15T19:27:27.412-05:002012-02-15T19:27:27.412-05:00Doc, I like that. We should do that! :)Doc, I like that. We should do that! :)AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-86652331940525181552012-02-15T19:03:19.694-05:002012-02-15T19:03:19.694-05:00Andrew, We should start a lobbying group to make t...Andrew, We should start a lobbying group to make that happen!<br /><br />PAC-ommentaramaDoc Whoahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16283308866886912377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-56835101433301564682012-02-15T16:47:35.513-05:002012-02-15T16:47:35.513-05:00Thanks Doc! I'm working on getting it added t...Thanks Doc! I'm working on getting it added to school curricula all over the planet! ;)AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-10440575170394955942012-02-15T16:47:10.155-05:002012-02-15T16:47:10.155-05:00Patti, It's amazing how relentless the people ...Patti, It's amazing how relentless the people are who want to control everyone's lives. Look at the school lunch example from above. What kind of sick human being decides "I want to start monitoring what other people feed their kids and then have the power decide what they get to eat." That shows a truly sick mind.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-22142212976180158672012-02-15T16:22:41.421-05:002012-02-15T16:22:41.421-05:00Excellent article and very interesting. Commentar...Excellent article and very interesting. Commentarama should be required reading for liberals. :DDoc Whoahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16283308866886912377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-16597041182124593202012-02-15T16:22:07.998-05:002012-02-15T16:22:07.998-05:00never have i felt so horrified at our government&#...never have i felt so horrified at our government's intrusion into our lives. as a child of a german mother, who lived thru the war, i was convinced (as a mere political babe) that EVERYONE had learned their lesson. little did i know that there were folks (barry and crew spring to mind) that are distinctively NOT in that camp. their goal is to control and wield an unholy power over the masses (oh! catholic pun!) and they are just like the nazis in the fact that they won't stop until someone stops them.<br /><br />so many think it ends with barry. i am horrified daily, as i know this isn't the truth, and i'm left to wonder as we fight over usless candidates, if this is indeed the beginning of the end of us.<br /><br />lord have mercy, momma needs a beach vacation!pattihttp://www.notawonk.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-14762565372766221332012-02-15T15:22:11.093-05:002012-02-15T15:22:11.093-05:00Kelly, It's interesting. I'll bet it had ...Kelly, It's interesting. I'll bet it had to be framed in the exact opposite way -- "this is designed to force evil drivers to pay more attention."<br /><br />Indeed, another article I saw on this talked about how too many drivers get bored because of all the safety signs and then decide to violate them just for excitement. Translation: this is giving bad people a way to feel free, we should put an end to that.<br /><br />Twisted, isn't it?AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-6736733492192960822012-02-15T14:58:03.246-05:002012-02-15T14:58:03.246-05:00I'm surprise they got away with this. Usually ...I'm surprise they got away with this. Usually liberals start whining about someone will get hurt and that's pretty much the end of it.Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-50580938520647861622012-02-15T14:40:30.298-05:002012-02-15T14:40:30.298-05:00Koshkat, That's very true. When someone tells...Koshkat, That's very true. When someone tells you that everything is important, you pretty quickly decide that nothing they tell you is important. It's the same thing here. When you get a thousand warnings all at once, it becomes impossible to sorting through which warnings are important and which aren't, so you start to tune them all out.<br /><br />But in this instance with the road, the problem is also that people come to rely on certain things. For example, if the government tells you whenever there is a dangerous curve ahead and warns you to slow down, then people assume that if there is no warning, then there is no dangerous curve. And what you end up with is people relying on the lack of warning as much as the warning.<br /><br />I think there are many facets of this and it's all connected. And what it shows ultimately is that the best system is one which only provides warnings about hidden dangers or truly significant issues. Otherwise, you end up changing human behavior for the worse in a variety of ways.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-40983799569041131982012-02-15T14:29:33.587-05:002012-02-15T14:29:33.587-05:00The problem isn't necessarily a warning itself...The problem isn't necessarily a warning itself. What I see happening is alert fatigue. I work with our electronic medical record system quite a bit and there are mechanisms to turn on all sorts of warnings. The problem was when we had some turned on before, there were so many warning you end up ignoring all of them. Therefore, you take a potentially useful tool and make it worthless. How to get around this is a real challange so most of it is just shut off.<br /><br />Most of those warning signs start innocently enough but become out of control and often times contradictory. It is finding that balance that is critical.Koshcatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425587034622601550.post-37408628988125938622012-02-15T13:47:54.123-05:002012-02-15T13:47:54.123-05:00Ed, Common sense is the cure to liberalism, but it...Ed, Common sense is the cure to liberalism, but it requires the patient being willing to actually be receptive to the treatment. That's the problem. All the facts in the world can't change the mind of someone who is determined not to listen.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.com