Sunday, July 8, 2012

Sunday Go To Meeting Post

This is the day which the Lord hath made. Let us rejoice, and be glad in it. Be thankful today that at least one Congressman is not afraid to say that our public education system is a failure, that almost all American kids are left behind, and that the best way to revivify the schools is to model them after religious schools.

The Congressman is not bothered by the constant drumbeat of separation of church and state. He just wants kids to get a disciplined, intelligent education.

You probably haven't read about this in the mainstream press, and your first thought is likely to be that the anti-Christian, anti-Jewish forces of militant secularism are at it again. Well, not quite. The reason you probably haven't heard about it is that the religious schooling that the Congressman is talking about is Islam, and the model schools are madrassas. Rep. Andre Carson (D-Indiana) said in a recent speech: “America will never tap into educational innovation and ingenuity without looking at the model that we have in our madrassas, in our schools, where innovation is encouraged and where the foundation is the Koran.”

In order to criticize the Congressman for his desire to mix mosque and state, the mainstream media would have to quote him and identify the specific religion he is espousing. That won't do. Islam (the “religion of peace”) is the only religion whose real tenets are off-limits to the mainstream. This, by the way, is the same Congressman who said that the Tea Party would love “to see black Americans hanging on a tree.”

II Timothy 2:15 says “study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (citation corrected, thanks to tryanmax)” But poor old Tim was a Christian, so we can't use him or the thousands of Catholic and other parochial schools as the examples. The Bible must be kept out of the schools, but maybe the Koran is all right. After all, according to Carson, Islamic madrassas use all the modern teaching techniques encouraged by the Koran. “We need an educational model that is current, that meets the need of our students. America must understand that she needs Muslims.”

Would that be the madrassas that don't allow females in at all, or just the ones that segregate them and teach them how to be obedient wives as young as possible? Is that the Koran which is utterly meaningless without the hadiths which explain what the garbled words actually mean? Would that be the innovative educational practices which still cling to Ptolemaic astronomical theory (the universe revolves around the earth)? Or perhaps it's the cutting-edge science that says that substances are formed by the will of Allah, not by Jewish chemical principles.

Still, you must admit that the madrassas are heavy on moral principle. You could search all day to find a Catholic or other church school teaching that heaven awaits with sexual and earth-like rewards if only you have the fortitude and education to strap on explosives and blow yourself up in a crowd of other (preferably non-Islamic) people.

For once, I have to agree with the Congressman that religious schools are better-organized and better-staffed than our current public schools. But then, a gathering of prairie dogs is more coherent and educational than most of our present public schools. I simply don't agree with him that we should jump out of the frying pan and into the fire by replacing non-educational public schools with non-educational Islamic schools. There are plenty of solid non-Islamic religious schools to draw inspiration from, and the teaching methods work with or without the religious instruction.

With Islamic chemistry, Islamic physics and Islamic math, there is no division between the religious and the empirical. Islam the political/social/educational cannot be separated from Islam the religious. Secular indoctrination in the public schools and religious indoctrination in the madrassas are just two sides of the same coin.


Tennessee Jed said...

I am amazed at this congressman. I do wonder when our schools went off the track. We are not producing enough students with the skills to fill the kind of jobs that are needed. That is a true shame.

AndrewPrice said...

It's fascinating that he gets a pass in the media when the media otherwise blasts anyone who would suggest this for a Christian school.


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CrisD said...

Holy Hell! I have heard it all now.

Unknown said...

Andrew: It must be that Christians and Jews are so ignorant and unable to educate their children. Otherwise, I'm sure the MSM would have jumped all over this obvious merging of religion and the state.

Your Virus Check link didn't work on my computer, but the story behind this virus has been making the rounds of the news. Anyone who has any suspicion that his computer might be infected can go to and follow the instructions. I did it late last week, and I was a lucky green. The site checks your computer, then offers multiple links for clearing the virus if the screen turns red.

The other link does work (WTF) and gives some background on the virus.

Unknown said...

CrisD: As long as the MSM keep covering for these people, we're going to hear a lot more like this.

BevfromNYC said...

A. Yea! I'm green and that is not a political statement.

B. So controlling religious indoctrination is okay as long as it is Islam-based. Those evil Christian-based values that lead our Founders however should be shunned as old-fashioned and destructive. Oy...what next?

Unknown said...

Tennessee: Oops. Blogger dropped my response. My basic thought was that our public schools have been going off the rails for decades now. At first it was subtle, then increasingly radical. They softened people up, and now they promote things we would have laughed at as recently as the late 80s. Political correctness and bilingualism have played a big part. They also count on uncaring parents to think that the schools know best.

Then of course there are the unions, which protect teecherz hu cant spell yoonyun and prevent good teachers from being rewarded.

Unknown said...

Bev: I wish I still had it, but over the years friends have sent me the sixth grade promotion exams from the mid 1800s. They are really difficult. Those schools were heavily influenced by the churches, the mention of God was not forbidden, and sixth graders were better-educated than our high school grads today. Even their overall science skills dwarf those of the average modern student, though there have of course been many advances in science since that time. Catholic schools still teach science, not "Catholic science," which is more than the madrassas can say. Jewish schools still teach mathematics, not "Jewish mathematics."

AndrewPrice said...

Lawhawk, Your links aren't working either. This one should work:


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Tehachapi Tom said...

The education that has been available to the Muslim masses has produced very few outstanding scholars.
Nobel prize winners are absent from that group as well.
Seems the Congressman is short on learning as well,note I did not say schooling I said learning.
It does seem that learning how to wear a bomb belt is taught and how to detonate it as well.

Unknown said...

Andrew: It must be the heavy traffic. I've checked the links (yours and mine) and they're working but only intermittently. I'm guessing a whole lot of people just found out about this virus and the fact that they're now on a deadline to fix it. Anyone having a problem with any of the "fix-it" sites may have to be persistent.

Unknown said...

Tehachapi Tom: We've discussed the inability of Islam to divorce religion from secular matters on many occasions. For a few examples of Islamic education, mixing religion and secular matters, and common mistaken beliefs about those issues, go here: Catholics-Muslims--No Difference; Minarets in Berkeley?; and Forget What You Thought You Knew.

For more, just click on our Islam posts under Index (right side of this page). So far, we've done 110 articles directly or indirectly touching on these issues.

The Prairie Dogs said...


Really, you think we do a better job than the teachers at PS89 in Harlem or whevever that is...

You do realize that the only thing we teach our kids is to keep their heads down right!!!!

Individualist said...

Oh Big Brother they name is MSNBC....

Unknown said...

PDs: Yes, my furry little friends. You do. Unlike the parents in the public schools, you prairie dogs have parents who carefully watch their youngsters and bring them up properly. Keeping your head down is a good start.

Unknown said...

Indi: Among others. LOL

tryanmax said...

Correction: the cited verse is from 2nd Timothy, not 1st. Taken out of context, the erroneous verse might seem to undermine the article.

But women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.


Unknown said...

tryanmax: I will make the correction of the citation. That will teach me to quote scripture as I remember it from Bible School. I'm not so sure that the incorrect citation is all that bad, but I suspect our female readers might disagree with me. LOL

rlaWTX said...

Hawk, I haven't read comments yet; I just had to give a shout out to this awesome line of yours: "a gathering of prairie dogs is more coherent and educational than most of our present public schools". LOVE it!
(there are LOTS of prairie dog towns out here!)

Unknown said...

rlaWTX: Thanks. I've seen prairie dog villages, and they're a lot neater and better organized than the schools in South Central L.A., South Chicago, or the South Bronx. Safer, too. I wonder how come so many of these educational disasters have "south" as part of their description. But then, there's East L.A.

Unknown said...

rlaWTX: In the public schools, most teachers have their degrees in eddykashun. They have been "taught how to teach" but they know nothing about the subject they're teaching. When I was a lad back in the olden days, my math teacher was a math major, my history teacher was a history major, my English teacher was an English major, etc. This was back when schools were almost entirely local, and the teachers non-union. So if the math major wasn't a good math teacher, you fired him and got one who was. Only teachers who were competent in their field and capable of transmitting that information to the students got tenure. The rest got the boot.

I almost think we could win the upcoming elections just by quoting the Democrats.

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