Sunday, August 14, 2011

Are Corporations People?

Just prior to the Iowa Republican debates, Mitt Romney was ambushed by an organized left-of-center Democratic hit squad. At the event, well-subsidized agitators had bought front-row seats for the speech at the Iowa State Fair in order to heckle the Republican candidate. As he began to speak, they began to shout “Corporations! Corporations!” Uncharacteristically, Romney temporarily lost his cool and shouted back “Corporations are people, my friend!”

Romney had fallen into the trap (although I believe he recovered well). The claque was merely restating Obama's class warfare "corporate jet" mantra in a slightly different form. The trap is to toss out buzzwords that resonate among people who have a minimal understanding of a complicate legal concept, knowing that no simple one or two sentence response can possibly counter the concept that has already been planted in advance. That concept is "coporations are rich machines that steal money from the people to pay for perks like corporate jets." When leftists say "the people," you can take my word for it that they aren't talking about you.

Since I'm not trapped making a political speech while being heckled, and further since we have more time and space to reply, let me discuss the whole misguided effort to demonize corporations in light of the claims of the left and Romney's reply to the hecklers.

Are corporations people? Poor Romney only had enough time to respond to simplistic heckling with a simple answer. On its face, the statement he made is correct, but incomplete. At least he didn't fall into the trap of arguing a complicated intellectual/legal/political/social/philosophical concept with leftist simpletons. Corporations are indeed made up entirely of people. They are not alien machines which dropped out of the sky to suck the life out of the poor and easily-deluded masses.

Romney's full reply included: "Of course they are [people]. Everything corporations earn ultimately goes to people. Where do you think it goes?" That's part of the trap. A good demagogue knows that among those "people" are pampered executives who do indeed fly around in corporate jets, and that's the picture the left wants to paint. Rich (and occasionally overpaid) corporate executives are easy targets, if you ignore all the common shareholders who would be a much larger and more sympathetic target.

As a corporate executive and business owner, Romney is the most vulnerable Republican candidate to this kind of attack. He lives a very cushy life, and the resentful redistributionists think that's evil. The point of this kind of heckling is that if the victim of the heckling isn't careful, he'll be drawn away from the real topics at hand by having to defend his own wealth. And God forbid anyone should be that wealthy when there are poor and starving innocents out there to be saved by government redistribution. The hecklers continued to attack: "The money goes into corporate pockets." Romney shouted back: "Whose pockets? People's pockets. Human beings, my friend." They of course believe that all pockets should be of equal size with equal contents.

And that was about it for the Iowa State Fair. But it was only the beginning for the demagogue Democrats. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, she of the kinky-haired 60s look, immediately jumped on Romney. As DNC chairman, she opined: "It is a shocking admission from a candidate and a party that shamelessly puts forward policies to help large corporations and the wealthiest Americans at the expense of the middle class, seniors and students." Lots of rhetoric, no facts. David Axelrod, Obama's joined-at-the-hip buddy in Chicago said: "I guess the next time you see a corporation you should take them out to lunch." Obviously the simpletons aren't confined to the Iowa State Fair.

The DNC immediately put out a video that showed Romney, corporate jets (not to be confused with Air Force One) and post offices--all to the background singing of Barbra Streisand's "People." Pure simplistic demagoguery. Class warfare is alive and well in the Democratic Party, and corporations are their poster boys. The real trick to this form of attack is that telling the truth can get you into big political trouble among the legally/politically ignorant. Unlike Al Gore's "inconvenient truth" which is actually a lie, Romney's truth is actually, well, true.

Even Hillary Clinton has been embarrassed in the past by stating the truth when it disagreed with the leftist line. "A lot of these lobbyists you're attacking, whether you like it or not, represent real Americans. They represent nurses, they represent social workers, and yes, they represent corporations that employ a lot of people." Naughty, naughty, Hill.

Romney tried to get out his message that he was actually in favor of closing corporate tax loopholes, but unalterably opposed to raising corporate taxes. He supports lowering those tax rates as a genuine stimulus for business. But a determined crowd of hecklers was not about to let him state that position.

From the legal point of view, corportions are "people" of sorts. Romney had the good sense not to try to explain that to an unwilling audience that would hoot at his every word. The very word "incorporation" means that an entity created by law has a legal existence similar to a human being in many ways. It is born, it lives, eats, and dies. It can sue, and it can be sued. In a certain sense, it can even reproduce (spinoffs). "Incorporation" essentially means "to create a body."

The two underlying concepts of incorporation are freedom from individual liability for mistakes, and survival of the entity. The method of creation and survival is to get lots of people (yes, people) to invest in the corporation with funds that would be difficult or impossible for an individual to raise. Then produce a product or service that will produce more money than was originally invested, in an ongoing manner.

Of course it doesn't always work that way. Like any business, a corporation can fail. But the left concentrates on the most glaring examples of how a few corporations out of thousands can go wrong. Enron, Bernie Madoff, the Savings and Loan scandals, GM, Chrysler, AIG and others are held up as the standard-bearers for corporate America. They tend to downplay Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the corporate failures which precipitated the housing market crash. After all, they were underfunded and overrated because they were "helping poor potential homeowners" with no credit and no means of repaying their loans. In other words, another Democratic redistribution scheme gone wrong.

There are examples of corporate greed, and anybody who denies that is living in a dream world. But that's only the straw man that the left uses. In fact, they are playing on class resentments to make all highly-paid corporate executives into villains. Why should a corporate executive in charge of managing billions of dollars in investments, production, employment, and sales be paid more than the guy who turns the bolt the wrong way on a wheel at Government Motors? I don't know. You'll have to ask Karl Marx.

And speaking of that, where's the left's indignation over GE chief executive and jobs czar Jeffrey Immelt? His corporation sent thousands of jobs to China, made billions in profits, and paid not a dime in taxes. But then he is part of the Obama inner circle.

Ambush politics are tough to deal with. I have to give credit to Romney for handling it about as well as could be expected. If he had tried even as brief an explanation and defense as I just did in this post, the hecklers would have won by default. I haven't even scratched the surface of the moral and political issues involved in corporate decision-making, and it would put you all to sleep anyway. And that is exactly what the left is counting on.


AndrewPrice said...

Rush played the whole exchange and it was obvious these were professional leftist protesters. Of course, the MSM played it as a spontaneous uprising, but I don't think anyone can legitimately believe that.

ambisinistral said...

He gave the wrong answer.

When ever the corporation card is played the correct response is to talk about class warfare. Are we trying to return America to prosperity, or are we more interested in seeing that everybody wheres the same sackcloth and eats the same gruel?

Always debate on your terms -- not their terms.

BevfromNYC said...

Ambisinistral - I agree with you, but shouldn't the response be "which corporations did you access to get here? - AT&T, Verizon, Apple, Microsoft, AOL/HuffPo, Facebook, GE, Exxon/Mobil, MasterCard, American Express, Greyhound, Trailways, McDonalds, DNC,, Mediamatters etc. They are all tax-paying entities, (I think Mediamatters is a"non-profit") And for every corporate jet, there are corporate jet builders, maintainers, and suppliers".

There's many responses...

StanH said...

When fighting leftist, you mustn’t be pulled into their narrative. Set your own narrative and attack in the opposite direction, use Alinsky tactics against the Alinkyites. As you say test some prepackaged answers with you staff. It will get testy, and even silly, but stand your ground, and the American people will stand, and applaud. That being said, Romney did fairly well…we’ll see in the next round.

We need to get our people ou,t and hammer Barry the same way.

BevfromNYC said...

StanH - It would be great to "get our people out to hammer Obama", but Obama never, ever goes out to be amongst "the people". Every event he goes to is staged and/or closed. Not just because he is President. He has always done that.

Unknown said...

Andrew: The main group whose name I forget right now was identified in a couple of MSM publications as a "liberal" group. In fact, they are a far left, green movement group with anarchist ties.

Unknown said...

ambisinistral: I've spent a lot of my time in the public sphere, including political rallies (and in my early days, those were all left-wing rallies). Those people did not want to hear any logical argument. In a civilized atmosphere, a discussion of class warfare and how the left excels at it would be the right thing. When a left-wing claque of professional hecklers show up to disrupt a meeting, calm discourse simply doesn't work. Their terms involve shouting, not thinking. You can't make a reasonable argument when nobody can hear you over the shouting.

Unknown said...

Bev: Again, you and ambisinistral are making good, solid conservative arguments. Now try to discuss them rationally with a screaming crowd in your face. I've never been the victim of one of those agitation groups, but in the 60s, I organized plenty of them. Their concept of free speech and debate is that they shout insults and buzzwords at the top of their lungs, and you try to get someone to hear you when you speak in a civil tone. They win.

Tennessee Jed said...

This one seems to beg the question, at what point can hecklers be removed? The reality is, of course, it is at best poor taste to shout down or heckle. But in our society of 300 million, you could probably find enough boors to stifle speech through heckling. I think this incident happened out doors, and yet you always hear about hecklers being escorted out.

personally, it would be nice if Romney had just completely ignored them, but that is not always possible. Taking them out and beating the crap out of them, while probably satisfying to a degree is not really an answer either.

Unknown said...

Stan: As I mentioned to both ambisinistral and Bev, you can't argue your narrative if nobody can hear you over the shouting. This was not a civil debate, it was a purposeful attempt to keep Romney from speaking. They had no argument at all, but that doesn't matter if they can outshout you.

I have many of the same ideas as all three of you as to how to win in debates. Foremost among them, don't let them set the agenda. This demonstration had nothing to do with civilized debate and everything to do with simple disruption.

Unknown said...

Bev: Jimmy Carter tried hiding in the Rose Garden. Didn't work for him either.

Unknown said...

Tennessee: I think your comment fits the actual circumstances described in the article. It was outdoors, but those were paid seats in a roped-off area. Still, once they began to disrupt the proceedings, they could have been removed. Romney knew better than to try to argue his point to a raucous mob, but we all lose our cool once in awhile. All things considered, I think he handled it as well as it could have been handled.

BevfromNYC said...

LawHawk - you are right. It's not about a debate and is about interruption. But how was it that Bush could get a shoe thrown at him without missing beat? If any of the candidates' people spent ANY time roaming the blogs, they would know EXACTLY what to expect. They play their hand every day. And quite frankly, that's where conservative candidates have got to pick up the pace and get tech savvy campaign people. Obama won on the tech game alone.

BTW - this ought to make everyone happy. Obama is losing in the polls in NY 51% to 43%

Unknown said...

Bev: A shoe doesn't outshout you. But your point is well-taken. This is neither the first nor the last time the left will try to stifle free speech. Outdoor rallies are always the riskiest and hardest to control, but they're part of the process, and tough candidates have to be prepared for it.

The tech sector is crucial, and we can't have candidates who try to get their message out by carrier pigeon. Any candidate who doesn't know what Twitter is should be immediately disqualified. LOL

rlaWTX said...

LawHawk, I am so very glad that you saw the light... It's interesting to hear some of these things from the other side.

As for corporate jets & people, I have a good friend in DFW who works MAKING those jets - after Obama's first attack, their sales plummeted. My friend nearly lost his job and many, many others did. From what I understand they still aren't back to where they were before.

Unknown said...

rlaWTX: And that's why demagogic talk is so damned dangerous. Corporate jets aren't the problem, any more than guns are the problem with violence. They're neutral. The market will take care of whether a company and its executives have corporate jets. When the government interferes, everybody gets hurt. That's why I've harped on eliminating the corporate loopholes that encourage profligate spending while lowering the corporate tax rate so that corporations (and other "rich people") can make a simple market decision on whether or not they can afford a private jet. Once they've made that decision, it's nobody's damned business but their own. Unlike Obama and his Air Force One, if the shareholders don't like the way their company is being run, they can sell and buy shares in a different company that doesn't have jets for their executives. Try that with government. We have to wait nearly a year and a half to take Obama's jumbo jet away from him.

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