No intro tonight, as the debate is about to start and I was out procuring basic foodstuffs, i.e. fast food. Tonight's debate is on CNN (here's the feed: LINK).
T-Rav apologizes for being late, but the sockpuppets got into a fight and a basketball game broke out. He'll join us as soon as possible.
As usual. . . there are no rules!
(P.S. The MSM has already projected Hillary the winner tonight. :))
Tuesday, November 22, 2011
T-Rav's Sockpuppet Theater Presents: Yet Another Debate
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1 – 200 of 305 Newer› Newest»Me, I hope that Cain does a great job tonight. The rest, I hope stumble.
Joel, I hope so. I guess we'll know soon enough.
Make stuff not war.... but don't make stuff with corporations.... and don't make stuff that sucks and stuff.
And they still lead off with Romney even though he's no longer in first place!!! Grrrr.
Jon Huntsman who prefers China to the US....
Wait a minute... Obama has been in a place called Constitution Hall and he didn't burst into flames?
And our surprise guest, the President of Iran... Atmahdinnajob.
Romney is in the middle again. What the heck?
My name is Andrew, and I am a chocoholic.
That's an odd answer from Newt because he doesn't really draw the line he's talking about.
Having no cable televisions, I am trying to get it online. We'll see...
I have to agree with Paul on that. You can't trade liberty for security or we might as well just junk the constitution.
What Point? Tim McVeigh is home grown, kinda.
Ron is right.
I happen to agree w/ Ron Paul on that one.
I have to say that Paul is honestly right about that. You can't let "security" become the buzz words that lets the government do whatever it wants. Strip searches at airports? Give me a break.
Awe. I bet she wants nerf balls at all schools.
I'm hearing a LOT of dancing.
She is right about the miranda warnings, but still he was caught because his pants were on fire. Not because people Knew who the underwear bombers was.
Joel, LOL!
Wow, good answer from Bachmann. Four years ago, no GOP candidates were talking like that.
Joel, To me the big difference is enemy combatants versus monitoring Americans IN AMERICA.
TSA Patdowns: should they come with a happy ending?
Sheesh, Talk war on war. Talk war on terror. Don't dance. Schuck and jive, shuck and jive.
This is doublespeak from Romney. He is trying to blur the line between war and crime while pretending he's clarifying it.
I'll get anyone $5 if they can explain what he actually just said.
I notice that no one has asked Cain yet about any thing.
Perry is an idiot.
So he believes it's ok to violate your rights, just so long as it's not done by union employees.
Damn, and I could use $5.
Collecting information began to go really wrong under Clinton when they dropped human agents in favor of technology.
tryanmax, but you'll never collect. It's an impossible task.
Let Cain Talk.
Sheesh, I already KNOW what the politicians say.
So Santorum thinks security isn't a government function, it should be done by the private sector... huh?
The fact that no questions have been asked of Cain yet just proves that he has no foreign policy experience...at least, that's how I think it works.
Joel, They don't want Cain being heard. He needs to be slowly forgotten.
Paul goes a bridge too far as always.
Nope, sorry. He is not going to be forgotten if he is stifled here.
Finally.
Joel, Andrew, I feel my crush fading already.
Targeted Identification.
I thought we settled the issue of Americans overseas in war zones having civil liberties when they attack America. Paul sounds like Holder.
Ha! I can tell you are several seconds ahead of me.
Solid, practical answer by Cain.
They want to kill all of us.
Cain scores a beautiful point.
I like the name Blitz.
What is Elena Kagan doing here?
Blitzer: Christian-Americans? Jewish-Americans? Forget the hypens. The people we're discussing are treasonous-Americans, killing Americans, and not on US soil.
Huntsman: "I speak in bumperstickers."
"Love the children"
"coexist"
"Go Broncos"
Huntsman actually talks?
"You might just be a jihadist if..."
Joel, What you don't see is his staff pulling the string in his back.
Huntsman's answer is so bad, I already forgot the question.
I hate the questions,
"Do you think XXXX is right or wrong or whatever?"
These are leading questions. Not illuminating ones.
I'm sorry, but I don't like her. She sounds like she's just telling you things she heard. There's no analysis at all.
I think we should nuke Pakistan. Come on people, show of hands... who's with me?!
Andrew,
Aw, you also give spoilers for movies I bet too!!! :-(
Well, Bachmann makes a good point. Keeping your fingers crossed and hoping for the best is not a foreign policy.
A lot of words to make a short point. Which only tells me that her answer is other than what it sounds like.
Bachmann -- we can't trust Pakistan.
Perry -- unlike Ms. Bachmann, I don't trust Pakistan.
huh?
Don't expect a dime. Great answer from Perry.
Joel, I'll try to count to ten before I answer.
tryanmax, People who spit out a lot of facts but don't connect the dots are hiding the fact the answer is "I have no idea."
Fight fight!!!!
Bachman: "WTF is Perry talking about? This guy's an idiot."
Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!
Okay,
I think Bachmann did sit in and listen to one or two security meetings. However, I am not sure she understands that People are trying to kill us.
Cain should be pissed off tomorrow. So far, he has had the best answers and the least time speaking.
I must be like a minute ahead. Hmm.
Perry seems to be in better command of the facts than in the past debates.
Romney wins the worst tie contest. I have declared.
Joel, Bachmann reminds me of a first year lawyer who can quote all kinds of doctrines, but doesn't understand what any of it really means.
I know I am totally behind because my video feed buffered for like ever.
Romney's tie is pretty crappy.
I am closer to Washington than you guys.
Huntsman: How dare you attack my nonanswer!
We need, we need, we need, we need...
That last is kinda scary, but I don't think the morass of DC has traveled up the Appalachian Mountains. At least not yet
Romney wins that one. I think we need to leave Afghanistan, but Huntsman's answer was basically, let's stick around with fewer troops. That's politician speak for "split the baby".
Romney: On track, stay the course. Thousand points of light.
Huntsman, shut up for a minute.
You guys are right about Romney's tie.
Wow, a fight between Romney and Huntsman... and I find myself bored by it.
Whoa! Déjà vu!
I love it when Gingrich changes the questions.
Newt attacks the media. Never saw that coming! LOL!
Ok, I like that answer a lot.
Newt's trope is starting to wear thin.
He is right. First time. Gingrich is right.
But, as to the answer, I agree.
"I agree with Ron Paul...."
followed by
"fight this forever."
This isn't making sense.
Paul looks like he just filled his Depends®.
Santorim is the male version of a tomboy.
Wimpy, wimpy, wimpy.
tryanmax and Newt, I agree. I'm sick of Newt's faking it, BUT that was a really solid answer -- IF we're going to do it, then do it right and do it our way. Otherwise, let 'em fester in the mud by themselves.
Now Paul is all like, "Wait, he just dropped my name and you aren't going to let me respond?"
Hey, you gu-u-uys. Cut it ou-u-ut!
I have said this before and I repeat it now -- they need to cull the herd. This is too many people to get a useful debate.
Well, for the first 45 minutes, almost nothing from Cain except solid answers.
Gingrich, typical BS, except for his last statement.
The rest, they need to go back to the basics.
"oh look, the CIA is searching for me on MyLife.com"
Joel, I agree with that. There's been a lot of angry desk pounding to make sure everyone knows these folks are standing by they platitudes by God! And they mean it!
Only Cain and Gingrich and Paul have give substantive answers.
Definitely the herd needs culled. And at least one of these alleged debates needs to have some semblance of an actual format instead of just jumping from candidate to candidate at random with no chance of equal time.
Do you want to hear my top 10 most hated sitcoms?
Uh, oh. The audience dropped dead.
Answer: yes.
They are all like, this is BS. Can we go home now?
That's a hell of a smart answer from Cain -- know what you're doing before you start.
Cain is getting to be a good analyst, and isn't biting on complicated questions that can't be answered with a simply yes or no.
Cain is good.
Ron is STUPID.
Paul, on the other hand, doesn't expect Israel to protect itself. A preemptive strike would be "the stupidest thing in the world."
Uh oh, Cain is "Bachmanning it up." No doubt to allay the rumors that he doesn't know foreign policy.
Interesting answer by Paul.
"we need to get out of their way."
In the war between barbarism and civilizaton, Paul is neutral.
I honestly have no idea what Paul is actually arguing.
Paul: F*** Israel!
Uh, Ron isn't invited to Hanukkah this year.
LawHawk: good one!
I am feelin' the love for Cain!
I'm really impressed with Cain tonight.
Does it strike anyone that the Heritage Foundation is probably not a very fun place to work?
Still, I don't think they can trip Cain up tonight.
I dunno. I'm all nerdy for analyst stuff. I could see having fun there.
This is an even stranger answer than Paul's.
But what do I know? I work with chemists.
Nothing cuts off Iranian exports so long as Russia and China will deal with them.
Perry's answers are oddly specific.
tryanmax, I'm envisioning something akin to a convent only in business suits and Henry Kissinger glasses for everyone.
Uh, okay, uh, okay, what else Gingrich still talks one or two comments long.
Gingrich is right, if it isn't a coverup for another cap 'n tax scheme.
Sanctions don't work. Drop the bomb.
I like Newt's energy/MidEast answer. Framing the two issues together is essential to good discussion & policy.
Energy independence (of which I am a fan) has NOTHING to do with stopping Iran getting a bomb next year.
Bachmann actually is making some sense tonight.
I guess she got her meds early tonight.
He gave Iran the luxury of time, and chocolate. . . rich chocolate from the Swiss Alps.
Andrew: You're so right. There's way too much surplusage on that stage. Time to cull the herd.
Andrew, have you noticed my avatar?
Oh, God. Santorum and AIDS.
Paul Wolfowitz just throws out a monkey wrench for everyone who said "no foreign aid." Now let's see if they dance or stand on principal?
Re: culling the herd - start with the male mannequin
tryanmax, Sure. Why?
Santorum: Quoting Reagan doesn't make your answer any more sensible.
He's as idealistic as Paul but in a different direction.
Santorim, go home. You are lowering my IQ level listening to you.
Fortunately Cain raises it.
Cain is on fire tonight!
Just say, "Bring back DDT."
Joel, LOL! +10
Let's see results. That's a fair answer.
I like that answer from Paul...give money to rich people in poor countries.
(Just got back from swim practice with the kid...hi all!)
Paul keeps conflating foreign aid and fighting wars. He doesn't understand either.
Why is Romney constantly trying to smack Paul? Do you think Paul stole his lunch or something?
I mean STOP giving money to rich people in poor countries...
Cut Ron, Huntsman and Santorim.
Ron is right though.
Well, Paul has a point there. We're nibbling at the edges instead of making the massive budget cuts needed.
Tam, Welcome back! :)
I agree. Good answers by Paul. Bad answers earlier, but his been solid here.
This is what troubles me with Romney -- he's trying to turn fake cuts into horrific cuts.
Passionate answer... but confused and gibberish by Romney. He just listed a bunch of stuff.
Yeah, but at base, Paul's answer is shut the windows and lock the doors. His answer is only right because broken clocks are right twice a day.
Now, is the MSM going to attack Romney about fumbling the munchkin's name?
Perry will visit Israel first after his inauguration. Oi.
Of course there can be cuts to defense. The budget is bloated and inefficient. It can be reformed.
I don't like that question, because really, those are Congress's decisions to make. I expect better from Heritage.
Gingrich: "That's what we would do if we were a serious country." Well said.
Smart answer by Newt about undercutting foreign bad guys.
Yeah, I do like that tact.
Bombs away!!!!!!
You guys are so far ahead of me. LOL!
Great. Now we're back to nuking Iran. Gingrich is fending it off well.
I know what to do. Cut the vocal cords of liberal Democrats. And every third of RINO's.
Maybe that might shut em up!
Huntsman: Who, me?
Huntsman is still speaking in bumperstickers.
The military's budget is the lowest percentage of GDP in seventy years. But Huntsman wants broad untargeted cuts anyway.
Is this the new comedy starring Huntsman?
I think the Democrat playbook is running out, they're trying to frame up somebody as a Goldwater.
Foreign policy will be driven by economics? What does that mean?
No, there's nothing funny about Huntsman.
Dramedy then?
The supercommittee was a superfailure.
//cricketts
Maybe tragicomedy. That's the best I can do for him.
Hey, it was a great line in the mirror.
Perry calls for Leon Panetta to resign. I don't hate that answer.
Perry keeps mixing all of his issues into the same sentence. He needs to use the thing between his ears to separate out his thoughts.
Perry now sounds like Clinton. Bill that is.
Let's see if anyone explains the phoniness of 10x tax cuts.
Whoa! The mannequin speaks and good answers come out!
Uh.... you must be one of them realists. Don't ask me.
Here comes the third rail--entitlements.
tryanmax, It was odd that Santorum made sense. It don't know how it happened.
Cain is winning tonight's debate. The tactic of not giving him too many questions is back-firing on Blitz.
Newt is 100% right, even though Cain mentioned that first.... do what Chile did!
I'd be happy if they'd just phase out SS, but I don't expect to hear that.
Let me read from my CIA factbook. Here is what I know about the American economy....
There are ways to reform Social Security without throwing granny out in the snow and without eliminating benefits for future generations. The Chile and Galveston examples are good guides. Cain and Gingrich have both mentioned them at some time.
So she wants to stop trade with China?
No, she just doesn't want to answer the question.
This has been a pretty solid debate for a change, though only a couple of them are speaking substantively.... and I'm thinking the Heritage Foundation should force it's people to spend at least 10 minutes a day in the sun.
tryanmax, what was the point about your avatar?
I don't know how you guys feel, but I feel like all of the non-answers are coming from Bachmann tonight.
Joel, Cain is looking really solid tonight. I'm very pleased.
Andrew: No. She just wants us to have paws. That is what she said, isn't it?
tryanmax -- Bachmann, Huntsman and Romney are all evading every question. The others actually have substantive answers.
Andrew, Kissenger glasses?
Lawhawk, LOL!
Ooooooooooooooooohhhhh!!!
Yeah, you'd fit right in! :)
What is interesting is that Romney, Perry and Bachmann aren't giving out original answers, just Washingtonian ones. Cain and to a certain extent Gingrich are giving answers that are original.
Huntsman is a given for that. And I'm not too surprised about Romney.
When will people stop using that obnoxious "Arab Spring" trope? There's no Arab Spring, just a fundamentalist Islamic takeover.
I thought "Arab Spring" was a brand of Halal soap.
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